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Old   December 7, 2012, 12:35
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The most powerful desktop I can access has 32GB memory.
but I still hit the limit when I try to mesh the geometry to get y+=1.
I also tried to use coarse mesh and split the prism to get y+=1. However, that gives me very poor quality mesh.

Could anybody give me some suggestions?
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Old   December 7, 2012, 15:11
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which kind of simulation, how many elements (total) etc.?
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which kind of simulation, how many elements (total) etc.?
Fluent RSM model.
Rightnow, ICEM CFD shows 140M Cells. It might have more cells because it reached the memory limit and kept reading hard drive.
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140M cells is too much... even for a 32 Go
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140M cells is too much... even for a 32 Go
if I make a coarse mesh and keep y+=1,I have to have high aspect ratio cells.
Does that have any problem with RSM model?
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Why do you use RSM?
This model is very complex and difficult to resolve numerical.

But anyway.....140 M cells?!!! That's definitely too much for 32GB
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not sure if the fluent solver is the same, but the CFX solver best practice guideline states

Aspect ratios away from the boundary layer should stay below 50.

For well resolved boundary layers
at high Re numbers, the near-wall aspect ratios can be of the order of 10^5-10^6
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Then, of course, you need to use the double precision solver.

The only issue this causes is the quality reports that are run flag this as a poor mesh.

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The most powerful desktop I can access has 32GB memory.
but I still hit the limit when I try to mesh the geometry to get y+=1.
I also tried to use coarse mesh and split the prism to get y+=1. However, that gives me very poor quality mesh.

Could anybody give me some suggestions?
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Why do you use RSM?
This model is very complex and difficult to resolve numerical.

But anyway.....140 M cells?!!! That's definitely too much for 32GB
coz the near wall velocity significantly decreases at y+=1-4.
particle deposition rate would be high (wrong) if y+>3.
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which RSM model you are using? It has been shown repeatedly that RSM model is not always better than the two equation models.

Which effect you want to model with the RSM model? How many no. of layers you are using in boundary layer and why? What about the steam-wise resolution?

It looks like to me a DNS mesh !!! BTW what is the Reynolds number you are trying to model?
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which RSM model you are using? It has been shown repeatedly that RSM model is not always better than the two equation models.

Which effect you want to model with the RSM model? How many no. of layers you are using in boundary layer and why? What about the steam-wise resolution?

It looks like to me a DNS mesh !!! BTW what is the Reynolds number you are trying to model?
hi Far,

I used Fluent RSM with enhanced wall function
as I said the particle deposition rate would be high with k-e model because of the over prediction of velocity normal to the wall.

right now, I just arbitrarily choose 3 layers.
I am sorry I do not quite understand what is steam-wise resolution
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hi Far,

I used Fluent RSM with enhanced wall function
as I said the particle deposition rate would be high with k-e model because of the over prediction of velocity normal to the wall.

right now, I just arbitrarily choose 3 layers.
I am sorry I do not quite understand what is steam-wise resolution
I am sorry, it is stream-wise mesh resolution i.e. along length of model.

Only three layers in boundary layer? What is the maximum aspect ratio?

Did you try the SST model with enhanced wall functions and curvature correction. You will almost get the same behaviour
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I am sorry, it is stream-wise mesh resolution i.e. along length of model.

Only three layers in boundary layer? What is the maximum aspect ratio?

Did you try the SST model with enhanced wall functions and curvature correction. You will almost get the same behaviour
I cannot get the ICEM to finish meshing because of the limit.
With k-e with enhanced wall function and coarser mesh, the results were not so good.

I have not try SST. Do you mean the transitional SST?
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I think Fluent has also implemented different versions of SST model like curvature correction. But CFX has full range of those models.

Just try SST model with well resolved boundary layer and somehow coarse mesh in the other regions.
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