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Old   May 24, 2013, 23:03
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Hi Experts

I built a simple prism around wind turbine blade (see picture 1) BUT the Prism is Incomplete along the blade (see picture 2) , for the prism parameters (see picture 3). Why?

Thanks in advance
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Old   May 25, 2013, 03:32
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Just as a test - is the prism layer incomplete if you let ICEM float them when they are generated? To do this set zero values for the initial height and the total height. By doing this ICEM will nicely size the prisms so that the transition from the last prism to the first tetrahedral is smooth. After that you can split and re-distribute the prism to suit (to a certain extent). It may not give you the exact prism mesh you what but it may go some way to getting a complete prism mesh.
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Just as a test - is the prism layer incomplete if you let ICEM float them when they are generated? To do this set zero values for the initial height and the total height. By doing this ICEM will nicely size the prisms so that the transition from the last prism to the first tetrahedral is smooth.
I did this step But the same error in prism also produced (see figure)
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Are you generating the prisms into a volume full of tetrahedral elements or are you generating the prisms first and then filling the remainder of the volume with elements?

Whenever I make a hybrid mesh in ICEM I always follow these steps:

1) Use the Octree method to fill the volume. Delete the volume elements. Check and smooth the surface elements.
2) Use the Delaunay method (TGlib and Use AF = ON) to remake the volume elements. Check and smooth.
3) Generate the prism elements. Check and smooth.

Upload your files as it may be easier to get a fix.
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prism angle = 180 might help.

otherwise, you can find a link to download Simon's tips and tricks for ICEM.
this document would help y ou.
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1) Use the Octree method to fill the volume. Delete the volume elements. Check and smooth the surface elements.
2) Use the Delaunay method (TGlib and Use AF = ON) to remake the volume elements. Check and smooth.
3) Generate the prism elements. Check and smooth.
I tried these steps BUT nothing new , the same results of incomplete prism

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Upload your files as it may be easier to get a fix.
I attached my files (the prism setup is found there)
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Old   June 1, 2013, 04:25
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prism angle = 180 might help.

Otherwise, you can find a link to download Simon's tips and tricks for ICEM.
this document would help y ou.
Yes I read this tips before But 180 prism angle where this angle prevent pyramids but also make worst prism quality.. However thanks for your recommendations
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You don't really mind about the prism quality; for example, CFD++ accepts prism with quality < 0.001 ... And prism are almost always bad quality ...So, the min angle would help to fill the prism around the blade, which looks like to be your main issue here !
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You don't really mind about the prism quality; for example, CFD++ accepts prism with quality < 0.001 ... And prism are almost always bad quality
I knew the prisms usually have low quality but Fluent not always comfortable with this low quality and always notify for this issue , and during my little expiercnce , Fluent may be not accept the mesh in some cases , Could you explain more about this?

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...So, the min angle would help to fill the prism around the blade, which looks like to be your main issue here !
O.K Thanks, but let me ensure that I'm understand right "The only solution to my case (not all cases) is kept my min. angle = 180"

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Not the only one ! But it might help.
Also, there are old thread about that issue ...
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