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Old   November 20, 2010, 14:54
Default Ansys 12.1 - Create Rotor/Stator Interface for Fluent
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Hi,

I try to setup a simple 2D sliding mesh problem (see appended picture of the mesh) with Workbench and fail at properly creating the interface between the rotating and stationary parts. I already searched through the documentation, this forum and the internet for the last two days and didn't find a solution. Maybe I just fail to recognize what the problem really is. So here is what I did so far:
  • I created a geometry in Catia consisting of two circular rotating areas with "blade-dummies" and a rectangular stationary area.
  • I formed a new part out of the three surface bodies in DM ("Form New Part" command) to get a conformal mesh.
  • I named all the boundaries and fluid zones. That's the step where I assume my problem starts. I tried to created interface-"Named Selections" for both surface edges at the connection between the stationary and the rotating part. Ansys than throws an error at me "The mesh file exporter does not support overlapping geometry in named selections. ..."
  • If I just leave it that way, start Fluent, setup the problem and start the calculation, the mesh degenerates after a while and I get negative cell volumes (see the two appended figures, before and after the calculation).
  • I tried to make a wall Named Selection and rename it to interior in Fluent like it is described in the "Multiple Rotating Reference Frame" tutorial but had the same results.
Does anyone know how to properly setup the problem in WB DM and Meshing to be able to use the "Mesh Interface" dialog in Fluent?

Thank you in advance.
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Old   November 22, 2010, 09:40
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Hi again,

I just tried something else. If i skip the following step

> [...]
> I formed a new part out of the three surface bodies in DM
> ("Form New Part" command) to get a conformal mesh.

> [...]

I am able to create Named Selections for both surface edges (rotating and stationary zones). Now I am able to use the interface dialog in Fluent without any further problems and the calculation is running like expected.

Now the question is how to get this working with a conformal mesh. Any ideas?

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Old   November 24, 2010, 13:04
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You don't actually need a conformal mesh (shared nodes), you just want an aligned mesh. You can get this by setting a line sizing the same on both sides of the circle. It should work perfectly. (right click on mesh => Insert Sizing, then select the lines...

Another option that I have not tried yet for 2D curve sizing is the "Match" method. I would have used that if this were a 3D problem.
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As PSYMN mentioned, you don't even need a conformal mesh to create a mesh interface, interfaces are for connecting domains who touch at non-conformal faces or edges. Create named selections for the touching geometry at both touching bodies, redefine those to "Interface" at boundary conditions, and create interfaces at "Mesh interface".

I'm struggling with rotor stator simulation also. My problem is that there is a jump in both pressure and velocity across the interfaces, but the mass flux seems to match. Unfortunately, I can't show the whole geometry of this problem, but I attach a screenshot of some part of it. Clearly, you can see the jump in velocity at the countour plot. I should mention, that the flow passes through one stator, further through a rotor and then into the last stator. So there is actually two interfaces.
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Old   March 26, 2011, 19:38
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That looks like more than a typical interface jump... Are you sure it is just an internal wall? How about the fluid regions? Do they all have the same properties (viscosity, etc?)
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I no this thread is a little bit old now, but i have the same problem as meantioned above. I am doing a 3D CFD analysis on a centrifugal pump with an open impeller. I have two domains, one containging the fluid in the impeller (its a little bit larger than the impeller diameter, only to avoid an interface were the blade ends), and one containing the rest. When defining the interface between them i got some problems.

I have tried both ways described above. When I used the "form new part" command in Designmodeler (to get a conformal mesh) and defined the two interface surfaces as named selections in ANSYS meshing i got an error (the same as the thread starter got). I then tried to use the mesh sizing command in Meshing, and since I am working in 3D I defined this as a face sizing. This didnt change the solution at all, i still got interface jump between the cell zones. You guys also meantioned the match command in Meshing, and I have tried it but don't understand how it works.

As you said above I dont need a conformal mesh to avoid this jump, so any help concering the other options would be appreciated!

In FLUENT I define the interface using the mesh interface command, with default settings (i.e. no periodic boundary condition or coupled wall), so maybe there is some problems there to?

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Anyone? Appreciate all input i can get!
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RR2 I am having the same issues, somehow I think I am close to the solution, I really think that the problem comes from the solid model, If you want to send me a PM to share information, or if you already solved the problem, please your help will be appreciated, I have opened several threats with a similar subject but I don't get an answer from nobody, and I have not been able to find any documentation that says something about how to create the interfaces at the meshing level.
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