CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > ANSYS Meshing & Geometry

[GAMBIT] Ask about how to set up geometry and mesh for moving mesh case

Register Blogs Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Like Tree1Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old   November 20, 2011, 23:13
Default Ask about how to set up geometry and mesh for moving mesh case
  #1
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
i'm newbie..i want to do dynamic analysis for my butterfly valve case 2D problem, as in real case i want to make a motion for my valve so i have to use moving mesh methode in FLUENT but i don't know how to set up geometry and mesh in GAMBIT for such case like this, please help me what i have to do first, here is my model

g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 21, 2011, 14:05
Default
  #2
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
in your case, moving mesh (remeshing in fact) will be treated within FLuent solver.
So no need to do something in Gambit.
BUT I would suggest you to switch to sliding mesh.
Create a circle surrounding your butterfly valve and split your domain with the circle.
Because of sliding mesh, you need to create interfaces: your disk (valve included) will rotate and you need interfaces for interpolating data between rotor and stator.
FOr that: copy and translate anywhere your disk. Delete the original disk.
Assign remaining circle (stator-edge) as interface.
Assign also circle (rotor-edge from copy) as interface
Translate back your disk (rotor).
Now your 2 surfaces are disconnected and your rotor will be able to rotate free.
You can mesh both
Check tutorial on sliding mesh for set up in Fluent
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 22, 2011, 03:02
Default
  #3
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
i just want to make a sure max, does my picture below right max??surface with two interface and then connect it in FLUENT
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 22, 2011, 04:21
Default
  #4
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
Almost

-The interface has to be the full circle.In your case interface1 &2 belong to the same.
You will not able to see both interfaces separately since they are superposed.

-Then you may try to change your circle radius for preventing small angles as it seems you have in your picture (circle & top edge are tangential and will generate skewness problem). Try a very small change in radius (tolerance) just for creating a gap between entities
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 22, 2011, 04:26
Default
  #5
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
okey i understand max what you want to talk about, the important things to create two interface between stator and rotor then connect it , right? okey max, thank for your assistance. owh max can you help me with the UDF?
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 22, 2011, 04:30
Default
  #6
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
No you don't have to connect them. You need to couple the interfaces but lately in Fluent.
forget UDF with me...
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 03:44
Default
  #7
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
hi max
how much surface i should have for this geometry??is it two?just the stator and for the rotor?
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 03:55
Default
  #8
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
at least 2.
Same topic here: Cylinder with slots meshing
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 04:08
Default
  #9
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
i have my own geometry based on your guide, here is my geometry, is it correct??




g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 04:53
Default
  #10
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
I don't see your pictures
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 08:03
Default
  #11
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 08:55
Default
  #12
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
yes but your circle (interface) is too big.
Thus you will have mesh issue especially where the circle is tangential to your pipe.
So reduce the circle radius
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 15, 2011, 08:57
Default
  #13
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
okey i got it max..thanks max. now my problem is to define the angular velocity for that thing using UDF
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 01:41
Default
  #14
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
hi max.. would you tell me about procedure for simulating this in fluent using sliding mesh approach and then tell me what should i do when i want to use UDF for the motion in this simulation using sliding mesh, thanks
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 03:16
Default
  #15
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
Prior to the sliding mesh, I would test if the interfaces are ok.
Juste define grid interfaces, and compute with your inlet velocity.
If everything is ok (understand fluid flows through the interfaces), then you can switch to sliding mesh.
Just enable dynamic mesh and set your angular velocity to your rotor domain. Since it is sliding mesh, no mesh option is required (smoothing, remeshing or layering).
For time dependant angular velocity, you can use UDF (maybe profile), but I am not so experienced in this field
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 03:26
Default
  #16
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
the first plan i want to use sliding mesh for this dynamic analysis, i have prepared with the geometry as you taught me last day.. this day when i'm trying to do the simulation i could not fix for the motion especially because i cannot input my UDF in sliding mesh approach.. based on your words, i can use dynamic mesh approach... is there any change in geometry preparation when i use dynamic mesh??or still be rotor and stator as you said,

-thanks a lot-
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 03:36
Default
  #17
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
dynamic mesh literally means dynamic update from mesh, but in you case you don't need to update your mesh since they are disconnected.
Understand you can rotate your rotor zone without any effect on stator mesh (thanks to interfaces)
Basically now you only need to define your rotor domain as rigid body, and defined a angular velocity.
Then you can preview the mesh motion, and you should see your rotor domain rotating
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 03:46
Default
  #18
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
so the first thing that i've to do is...checking the dynamic mesh parameter in fluent right??
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 03:58
Default
  #19
Super Moderator
 
-mAx-'s Avatar
 
Maxime Perelli
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 2,972
Rep Power: 30
-mAx- will become famous soon enough
no
go to define/dynamic mesh/zones...
select your rotor zone, define it as rigid body, and set your angular-velocity.
I don t remember if you have to set your velocity in dynamic mesh panel, or in the boundary condition panel (you have to try)
(I don't have Fluent, I am basing on User Guide)
__________________
In memory of my friend Hervé: CFD engineer & freerider
-mAx- is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 20, 2011, 04:05
Default
  #20
Member
 
noken
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
g-wagon is on a distinguished road
i think you wrong max, we have to enable the dynamic mesh parameter and then we go to dynamic mesh zone
g-wagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
3D Hybrid Mesh Errors DarrenC ANSYS Meshing & Geometry 11 August 5, 2013 06:42
2D Mesh Generation Tutorial for GMSH aeroslacker Open Source Meshers: Gmsh, Netgen, CGNS, ... 12 January 19, 2012 04:52
fluent add additional zones for the mesh file SSL FLUENT 2 January 26, 2008 12:55
Icemcfd 11: Loss of mesh from surface mesh option? Joe CFX 2 March 26, 2007 18:10
Gambit problems Althea FLUENT 21 February 6, 2001 08:05


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 23:40.