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Old   March 26, 2006, 21:03
Default Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water
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Laure
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Dear all, here is a very strange thing. I checked on a very simple design to be sure, here it is: || steel ||air going up|| steel || water ||

When the buoyancy of the water is not activated, then evrything is fine: the air warms up the steel which warms up the water. However, the simple fact to turn on the buoyancy for the water (not changing anything else) seems to stop the heat tranfer trough the wall, and the wall is not heated by the air, and so neither is the water!! Can someone explain that? It took me so many hours to figure it out, discovering that the programm was crap!!!! such a waste of time...unless there is a trick somewhere? Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 03:45
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Have you checked the gravity direction?
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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:05
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Yes, of course. The model works when the buoyancy is of. I just change the parameter buoyancy for the water to on, and the heat tranfer is stopped!!! That is the only parameter I changed! I really think there is a bug. Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:20
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contact your local support office then...
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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:22
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It looks like a bug but What do you think should happen, when you turn on gravity for a fluid with constant density.

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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:42
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The density of my fluid is not set as constant, but as isobiric, using the boussinesq approximation. But the problem is even before, because the water cannot even be warmed up, as the steel is not heated.... Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:51
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its sounds like a strange one, which version are you using?
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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:54
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Version 3.22. Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 06:57
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Probably worth upgrading to the latest version (3.26), if there is a bug on something so obvious then it probably would have been fixed. Either way I would speak to your support office.
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Old   March 27, 2006, 07:06
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Ok, thanks for the advice, I'll do it. I keep you up to date when I have an answer. Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 08:35
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Better still, check the release notes for a definite on that bug. If they don't know it's been fixed (or even existed) it may well come back in a later version. Personally I've wasted days and days of my life randomly trying different versions of STAR-CD in the hope that some bug (not acknowledged as a bug by CD) has miraculously gone.
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Old   March 27, 2006, 09:34
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If its not acknowledged then could it be (shock horror) operator error?
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Old   March 27, 2006, 10:41
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I understand your scepticism. I would rather it to be an error of mine. However I redid the experience so many time... I can send you my .mdl if you want to try by yourself...? The disdign is so simple that it it very quickly done. Le me know, Laure

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Old   March 27, 2006, 11:00
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Well, I send you the .mdl to save time to the one willing to try: it is incredible! You can download it on yousendit.com at the following adress. Unfortunately, it will stay there for a week only... The file I give you it the one without the water buoyancy.To turn the buoyancy on, go to material properties---> liquids---> buoyancy. Turn on the buoyancy for material number 5. Without buoyancy, you will see the steel being warmed up after 3 minutes very clearly. With the buoyancy on.... you can wait for ages. Here is the file, enjoy....-

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx? id=2TNRDO8R5UKFO20KAWLVWPJWWS Laure

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Old   March 27, 2006, 11:03
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Sorry the adress has been cut. Here it is: http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2...O20KAWLVWPJWWS Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 15:05
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I can't see a problem. It works with any version I've used (322,326,404). Are you sure you switch on buoyancy for material 5?
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Old   March 27, 2006, 16:11
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I can't believe it works for you...! Then I'll do it the other way round: I send my file .mdl after I turned on the buoyancy (the only parameter I changed from the previous file). With my Starcd (2.22. 1), the heat transfer doesn't take place,and yes William (thanks for trying) I turned on the buoyancy for material 5!! Here is the link http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...01JYESUD4U4JIM

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Old   March 27, 2006, 18:05
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No problem at all. Just do a


load ,,
popt cont
getc t
cset news type 1
cplo
cset news type 5
cplo
cset news type 4
cplo


So you will see that there is the highest temperature at the top of the domain due to the convective transport on the water side.

If you switch off the buoyancy the highest temperature is near the inlet at the bottom of the domain -- pure heat conduction.
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Old   March 27, 2006, 18:50
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Thanks again William. I really wish I had that!!! But it doesn't work. With the second .mdl I sent, my heat transfer doesn't work!!!! It is probably as hard to understand for you as it is for me that yours works!! With the left wall, it is all right, it is warmed up, but nothing for the right one! I really don't understand it. Thanks for your time anyway, I'll try on another version Wenesday...That's incredible. Laure
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Old   March 27, 2006, 19:31
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I've just had an answer from StarCd supply to say that no bug is recorded for this kind of problem. However, I swear it dosn't work for me!!! Laure
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