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Old   April 1, 2006, 22:23
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Hi,everone i'm doing a catalyst converter simulation, adopt the k-Epsilon/high Renolds Number,and define the inlet and outlet boudary. But when i run ,i encouter this warning:***WARING #090 *** VALUE ELOG*YPLUS OR ELOG *EFFVIS/(CAPPA*VISCOS) IS LESS THAN 1.1 AT 3334 CELL.UPLUS=YPLUS LAW IS USED. IF THIS SITUATION PERSISTS,INCORRECT RESULT MAY BE OBTAINED. what does this warning mean? How should i sovle it? Thanks for answering. i have done the search on this forum,but i can't read the message before this year.Thanks again

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Old   April 2, 2006, 07:15
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It means your yplus is low in 3334 cells, if this is a lot of your model or it persists throughout the simulation you will need to consider changing the mesh or the turbulence model. If it is a very small part of your model or goes then just ignore it.
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Old   April 2, 2006, 09:28
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This warning appears at the first. So should i change the model? then how should i change it? And the run can't converge also, does the warning result this?thaks again
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Old   April 3, 2006, 06:34
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Does the warning go away or the number of cells it is called for reduce significantly? Also is this a transient or SS run?
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Old   April 3, 2006, 08:24
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Sorry,i don't know the SS. What is it mean? I do a steady, uncompressible turbulent flow simulation in a catalyst converter. The warning goes through the whole analysis process and there is always and just a cell having this warning every iteration. And the run can't converge too. Thanks!
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Old   April 3, 2006, 13:20
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Activate a low Re model and use hybrid wall functions (and the error will go away)
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Old   April 3, 2006, 15:13
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Although it may not converge the simulation, SS stands for steady state by the way. What is the convergence like and which residual is the worse?
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Old   April 4, 2006, 09:24
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When I run the analysis under the windows in starcd 3.22, there will not run for one iteration and diverge. But I run the same model under linux in starcd 3.26 ,there will run 133 times ,and the mass is worse. Why should this situation happen?thanks!
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Old   April 4, 2006, 09:51
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I try it just as you told, there isn't the warning now. In this model, Re=141138 and the v=53m/s. Shouldn't I use the high Re medel? And the run can't converge too. It runs no time.thanks a lot!Wishing your guide!
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Old   April 5, 2006, 05:01
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You should read at least some of the documentation that comes with Star-CD. The difference between the High-Re and Low-Re turbulence models is not that one is used for large Reynolds numbers and the the other for small ones. The difference is in the wall treatment. You need different mesh densities near the wall for each model.

Divergence can be caused by numerous reasons: Insufficient mesh quality, transient behaviour, unsuitable physical models/properties, etc... You can try reducing the relaxation factors for a start.
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Old   April 5, 2006, 06:23
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Thanks for your guide!I have try reducing the relaxation factors and increasing the number of sweeps of velocity.I also reduce the relaxation factors of pressure.But these have no effect too.I have tried the catalyst model of the tutorial of proam and imposed the condition of steady state and High-Re turbulence model and standard wall function, defined the inlet and outlet boudary. It diverge also and have the warning. I really don't know what I should do!
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Old   April 5, 2006, 08:22
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go on the basic training course!
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Old   April 5, 2006, 08:34
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OK!I'll try! Thank you! But do you have other guide?
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Old   April 5, 2006, 09:35
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Are you sure that your mesh is ok? did you check the results you are getting? do they look plausible? Are you using anything like porosity, energy calculation, chemical reaction etc? is there a possibility for unsteady behaviour of your flow?
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Old   April 5, 2006, 09:40
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Yes,I use the porosity.I have check everthing ang there is no problem.I think the mesh is ok.Does the porosity influnce this? Thank you!
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Old   April 5, 2006, 10:00
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Try and switch the porosity off and start again. Where do the values for alpha and beta come from? Do they make sense? What kind of mesh do you use? How many boundary layer cells do you have?
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Old   April 5, 2006, 21:13
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It converge when i switch the porosity off. Does the alpha and beta influnce this? I just calculate them from the equation dp/dl=-a*v2-beta*v from others experiment. Do they just get from this method? And I don't know if the experiment is right. I just find the experiment in the paper. And I use the tetrahedral mesh produced in the praom. There are 293075 cells in all and 42588 boudary layer cells and three layers. Thank you a lot!
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Old   April 9, 2006, 20:40
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Hi,Ralphie I have changed the mesh of the medel and it converge now. Thus does the mesh precision influnce the convergence?
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Old   April 10, 2006, 06:58
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It most certainly does!!! It is not just the precision but the quality of your cells. There are quite a few tools in Star-CD that help you to find your bad quality cells. Furthermore there are certain guidelines on how your wall boundary layer has to look like. Read the manuals and some CFD literature too. Good luck with the next project!

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Old   April 11, 2006, 06:22
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