# is it possible to predict how long it takes to reach steady state solution in unstead

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 November 11, 2013, 05:18 #2 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,949 Rep Power: 85 No, you cannot predict in general how long steady state will take at all, let alone based on residence time. Different classes of flows require different times so obviously different times are required. You might be able to estimate how long it will take for your class of flow, but it will only work for your class of flow. It will not be general. Note that if you are marching a transient simulation out to steady state then you do not care too much about the time history of the flow. So use first order time differencing and do not converge the timesteps too tightly. Loose convergence is OK, and then go tighter as you approach your final solution. You just want to quickly and approximately march it out in time and only worry about accuracy at the end. Alimohamadi_nasr likes this.

 November 11, 2013, 05:28 #3 Member   Ali Mohamadi Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 5 Thank you very much for your consideration.

 November 11, 2013, 06:46 #4 Member   Ali Mohamadi Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 5 only one another question that may be easy for you, my geometry has one converging Channel that flow comes through it and it divided to two diverging channel with ratio 1:9 (10 percent goes from one of diverging channel and 90 percent goes from another) and its laminar flow. because of pressure gradient there is separation i and vorticity is produced in diverging channels. my question is that, even in this case, is it OK to change form high order discretization to first order and after approaching to convergence again change it to higher order discretization.

 November 11, 2013, 07:11 #5 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,949 Rep Power: 85 In the vast majority of cases it does not matter how you approach convergence. As long as the final run to full convergence is done with accurate settings then the final result will be good. In very rare cases you need an accurate approach to convergence as well. An example would be a diverging channel where the jet can stick to one wall or the other (due to the Coanda effect). If your approach to convergence was nto accurate the jet could stick to the wrong wall and the final run to convergence could be on the wrong wall and it woudl stay there. But this sort of bifurcation is rare. Alimohamadi_nasr likes this.

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