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Old   December 21, 2014, 07:44
Post having trouble implementing airfoil with Wall Slip condition
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Hello every body

I need to solve my problem on airfoil with wall Slip condition.
as i found, i can put this condition in 2 ways:
1. enter a wall velocity
2. enter specified shear on the wall

In both the ways i need to enter velocity or specified shear with 2 components (x & y).
The problem is, as the normal-vector of the wall is changing around the airfoil and the wall-velocity (and specified shear) are both tangential to the wall, I need to have a local-coordinate-system in each point of the airfoil-wall to enter the velocity due to the local-coordinate-systems. (or something like this)
(I don't have the Airfoil-wall-equation)
(I have to check the results in different slip lengths, 10% slip to 50%, not 100% or free slip)
(and then it must be solved in a complicated 3-D geometry, so i can't split the wall into some semi-linear parts.)

I don't know how to do this and whether it works or not.
can any body help me ? please.
I really appreciate it.


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In easy words, 10% slip means velocity on the wall is 10% of free-stream (tangential to the wall) (wall-slip-condition can be defined by 3 (related) parameters: 1. specified shear 2. wall-velocity 3. slip length, the definitions are available in literature, but in CFX and Fluent i just can enter specified shear or wall velocity, you can find them in wall-boundary-detail under cover of mass and momentum) (to avoid mathematical equation it's better to define a wall velocity than specified shear)

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Old   December 21, 2014, 17:07
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Or:
3. Go to the Boundary details tab and select Mass and momentum option: "Free slip wall".

I think I would choose option 3.
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3. Go to the Boundary details tab and select Mass and momentum option: "Free slip wall".

I think I would choose option 3.
It's not a free-slip problem.
i have to check the results in different slip lengths (10% slip to 50%, not 100% or free slip)
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So why didn't you say that you want 10%-50% slip in the first post?

Can you define mathematically want you want to do? In other words, if you want 10% slip, what actually is 10% slip defined as? And why do you want to use this model?
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So why didn't you say that you want 10%-50% slip in the first post?

Can you define mathematically want you want to do? In other words, if you want 10% slip, what actually is 10% slip defined as? And why do you want to use this model?
in easy words, 10% slip means velocity on the wall is 10% of free-stream (tangential to the wall) (wall-slip-condition can be defined by 3 (related) parameters: 1. specified shear 2. wall-velocity 3. slip length, the definitions are available in literature, but in CFX and Fluent i just can enter specified shear or wall velocity, you can find them in wall-boundary-detail under cover of mass and momentum) (to avoid mathematical equation it's better to define a wall velocity than specified shear)

I have to find influence of different percentage of wall-slip on Drag 'n Lift forces, velocity 'n pressure fields, etc. and the influence on some other parameters in complicated 3D model. that's it.
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You probably know the free stream velocity as you defined your inlet and outlet boundary conditions to have a defined free stream condition. Therefore you know the velocity to apply at the wall. You can make sure it is tangential to the wall using the normal_x, normal_y and normal_z variables.
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You probably know the free stream velocity as you defined your inlet and outlet boundary conditions to have a defined free stream condition. Therefore you know the velocity to apply at the wall. You can make sure it is tangential to the wall using the normal_x, normal_y and normal_z variables.
Thank you dear,
how can i obtain normal_x, normal_y and normal_y variables?
is there a CEL? can i write an expression for them ?
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That should be the variable names. It should work in CEL expressions. It exists on wall boundary patches.
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That should be the variable names. It should work in CEL expressions. It exists on wall boundary patches.
there is no such variables in CFX-Pre.
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CFX-Pre does not have all variables in it. The solver has all the variables. So stick them in CFX-Pre, ignore the warning/error about variable names and see if the solver accepts them.
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CFX-Pre does not have all variables in it. The solver has all the variables. So stick them in CFX-Pre, ignore the warning/error about variable names and see if the solver accepts them.
I'll give a try.
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