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saviosas March 8, 2016 08:45

Multiphase Flow - Implementing AIAD model
 
I am trying to reproduce an article of Thomas Hohne about multiphase flow (water and air), with objective to use the same model that he used for the drag coefficient in the free surface in my work. The article is: application of new drag coefficiente model at cfd-simulations on free surface flows relevant for the nuclear reactor safety analysis.

Right now, I am having some issues with implementing the area of free surface of the Algebraic Interfacial Area Density model (AIAD). According to article this surface area is the gradient of liquid volume fraction. The expression for that I wrote below:

Afs=sqrt((Water.Volume Fraction.Gradient X)^2+(Water.Volume Fraction.Gradient Y)^2+(Water.Volume Fraction.Gradient Z)^2))

This expression always results in value of 0. Is this expression right? Or there is another way to write this gradient expression?

af123 December 19, 2016 08:03

Do you had any succeed with the model? I'm also interested in the model.

stardust111 May 11, 2017 18:45

Hi Savio,

Does it work now ?

ves May 9, 2020 09:50

Hi, Salvio I have my AIAD GENTOP implementation on CFX Expression Language, but mass exchange not working. Do you interesting in this model yet?

sachin tom May 15, 2020 00:51

Hi Ves,
I have certain doubts AIAD GENTOP implementation. Is it default available as CCL expression in CFX? Also is the technique used for blending from bubbly to annular flow regime?

ves July 18, 2020 14:36

ANSYS CFX have not AIAD and GENTOP model, Fluent 2020R1 have AIAD. I have my own implementation with some bugs

Stel July 19, 2020 09:43

The very last CFX version has an AIAD model implemented as a beta feature, which as far as I understand is a very similar model to the one proposed in the Haensch et al. (2012) paper (of which Dr. Hohne is a coauthor). It is hard to tell exactly because unlike Fluent no documentation is provided by ANSYS for CFX'S Beta features. However, notice that the default volume fraction limits in the software (0.3) are the same as proposed in the paper, as well as the minimum CD value in the free surface regime (0.01). Given the long term relationship between HZDR and ANSYS (notice that Liao's breakup and coalescence models, also from HZDR, were also included as beta features in the recent version) I would bet this AIAD model is the one that you are looking for.

Good luck with it BTW. I like the concept behind this model, but those critical limits are hard to define for general purposes and besides, convergence seems to be very difficult with it.

ves July 24, 2020 13:59

Dear Stel!
Thank you very much for you responce. I had tried solving plunging jet problem from the Haensch et al. (2012) in Fluent 2020R1 and received unstable solver behavior AIAD model for phase coupled SIMPLE.I had soved it with Coupled solver with adaptive timestep 10^-7-10^-8 s first 1000 steps, then with 10^-5 s. AIAD+Ingomogeneous Discrete had diverged. I had tried AIAD in CFX 2020R1 as you said and reseived good results with timestep 10^-5 s. AIAD are not compaatible with polydispersed fluid in CFX 2020R1. How i may improve stabiliy in Fluent?

Stel July 24, 2020 15:22

Well, as I said, convergence with this model seems to be very hard with its current implementation (hope they improve its stability in future versions). A timestep of 10^-5 s is already a very short one. And I didn't know it cannot be used together with the polydispersed fluid definition in CFX, but something you could try: once I was trying a particular setup with a polydispersed fluid involved and got a warning message telling me that one specific model I was trying to use was not allowed with a polydispersed fluid in the simulation; I tried to start the solver in spite of the warning message and it worked anyway. You could try it yourself (at your own risk; carefully analyze the results afterwards to see if it makes sense).

As for your Fluent problem: you should ask people in the Fluent forum about that, but I'll try to suggest the obvious: 1) try to use implicit solution for the volume fraction equation; 2) if your are solving it as a pseudo-transient, try reverting to transient and use several coefficient loops between steps; 3) try a solution first without the continuum surface force activated.

Good luck.


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