air conditioning in cars
 

Hello CFX Friends,

I want to model air conditioning inside a small BMW car. I have two questions:

1) How much detail should I make the geometry using CFX Build? It is difficult for me to represent everything inside the car i.e, the seats, wheel drive, brakes.....

2) Is it two dimensional or three dimensional flow should I use?, I would like to get good validation results interms of temperature.

3) Is there any one who is working on such kind of research. if there is please post your address and I will try to contact you.

Thank you very much for your help.

CFX researcher

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Why don't you get a CAD file from your client? You can import nice CAD surfaces into Build and therefore easily include dashboard, seats windows etc...

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Herve, thanks for your suggestion, but what do you mean by client? Do you mean the BMW manufacturer?

Tadiwos

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

I meant if you have been asked to carry out such work on a specific car, the person requiring the work might have the CAD file from which you can start (do an import in Build).

If not,and you are carrying the job for yourself you can implement a general shape for the cockpit and the seats in the cockpit directly in Build, bearing in mind what is important for your model (e.g. you won't need all the intricate shapes of the seat to be included) or look for any CAD file on the net from companies such as www.rhino3d.com for example.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

(1). I would suggest that you start with a simple 3-D model,with a 2-D cross-section first. (using the car symmetry plane cross-sectional shape) (2). If you can't do simple 3-D, then it is hopeless.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Herwig,H.; Klemp,K.; Schmücker,A.; Currle,J.: "Ventilation of passenger car cabins: Comparison of experimental and numerical data" Forschung im Ingenieurwesen - Engineering Research, Bd. 62, 161-167, 1996

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Thanks guys

Fabian, can you please tell me where I can find the reference that you pointed out?

Tanks

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

To get some impression you could look at

http://www.adapco-online.com/

under Examples --> Passenger Compartment

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Then again, you could look at the comments made under 'compare CFX5 and Star-CD' and realise that you'd be better off sticking with CFX5.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

good joke :)

but ist not important which tool you use but how you use it. So even that example might help to get an impression whats usually done in this area of cfd.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Who's joking?

3
:0-

3

So why didn't you pass them on to the cfx website, as this is the cfx forum?

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

I'd love to switch to CFX if it would be that superior but it is simply not powerful enough.

If you look at the examples on my home-page you will know why. It is some very simple moving mesh stuff -- nothing special and several years old.

Once CFX can handle this kind of problems we can go on talking.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

It can, I believe.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

Science is not a good place to "believe" something. Either you know it or not.

Re: air conditioning in cars
 

(1). I am getting the message that many people in CFD are very confused that they tend to think that computer codes are their gods. (2). I think, I like your message, because you are not the one who is confused.