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 sandy July 6, 2007 13:53

centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

I am using cfx to design a centrifugal pump. It is a steady case with only the rotor. But the computational resutls are far from the experimental results. For example, the experimental best efficiency point is 200gpm, but the calculated one is arount 400gpm. The efficiency values are also different. I also tried different grid resolutions and they did not help. The finest grid has 700000 elements. Anyone got any idea?

 Erich July 6, 2007 15:44

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

Does your geometry fully represent the pump and any geometry that would influence the flowfield (i.e. leakage, passes,etc)? I have found that sometimes it is not always what you are modeling, but what you are not...

Good luck,

Erich

 Gert-Jan July 6, 2007 17:57

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

- What are your Boundary conditions?

- Did you run Frozen rotor? Why not use a transient calculation with rotor-stator-interactions?

- 7000000 elements. What kind of elements? Hex?

- Is it turbulent? What model did you use?

Gert-Jan

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 mac July 9, 2007 07:06

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

I currently have a centrifical pump/motor combo in a water pumping application. No head pressure as the distribution is level with the pumps outlet. Current unit is 230 vac 3ph, 3600 rpm, 30hp. I am replacing with 230 vac 3ph, 3600 rpm, but a 20hp. What will be my approx volume loss?

 chetan S Mistry July 14, 2007 04:18

centrifugal pump using cfx

I am a new user to CFX. i want to know how to solve turbomachines problems for incompressible and compressible fluid.

any refence literature or paper if you have please send me.

problem of Centrifuga pump i think is the best problem to understand. Please do guide me.

thanking you,

 Santiago Orrego. July 16, 2007 10:34

Re: centrifugal pump using cfx

Try cfd-online WIKI.

 sandy July 16, 2007 15:23

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

- What are your Boundary conditions?

I use mass flow inlet and pressure outlet.

- Did you run Frozen rotor? Why not use a transient calculation with rotor-stator-interactions?

I did not run Frozen rotor. I just run the simplest models without the stator for the first step. I could understand there should be some differences, but this result is not what I was expecting. I just tried the stage model for a steady calculation with rotor and stator and the results do not change much.

- 7000000 elements. What kind of elements? Hex?

700,000 elements is for the finest grid. And I use tetrahedrons.

- Is it turbulent? What model did you use? yes, k-e model.

 sandy July 16, 2007 15:25

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

Thank you for the suggestion. But will the leakage make such a big difference?

 Gert-Jan July 18, 2007 07:05

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

Do you have prisms on the wall? If you only use tets, your velocity near the wall will not be resolved sufficiently.

I do not understand your setup completely. Do freeze everthing and just calculate the pressuredrop over your geometry with a velocity set on the inlet?

Gert-Jan

 sandy July 18, 2007 10:33

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

I used prisms on the wall and y+ is less than 100.

I make the rotor as a rotating part in the setup. Since there is no stator, I guess no frame change model (frozen rotor, stage...) is needed. A velocity is set on the inlet.

 chander pal singh July 19, 2007 04:08

Re: centrifugal pump calculation using cfx

centrifugal pump calculaton i need

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