# how find fluctuating velocity

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 September 18, 2007, 10:38 how find fluctuating velocity #1 Max Guest   Posts: n/a Hi I'am using ansys cfx 10, and I'am making a simulation of jet flow at low Re numbers. I used a SST model and now I don't know how find the fluctuating velocity of the flow. Someone can help me. Thanks

 September 18, 2007, 15:11 Re: how find fluctuating velocity #2 CycLone Guest   Posts: n/a You can calculate the magnitude of the fluctuating component from the Turbulence Kinetic Energy. If you look it up in the documenation, you'll see that the turbulent kinetic energy (k) is defined as: k=1/2*u^2 where u is the fluctuating component of velocity. Based on this you can estimate the fluctuating component as: u = sqrt(2k) In CEL that would be: Fluctuating Component = sqrt(2*Turbulence Kinetic Energy) -CycLone

 September 19, 2007, 02:20 Re: how find fluctuating velocity #3 Max Guest   Posts: n/a Thank you so much

 September 19, 2007, 10:32 Re: how find fluctuating velocity #4 Dr. FLow Squad Guest   Posts: n/a For anisotropic flow , the kinetic energy is defined as k = ½ * (u'^2 + v'^2 + w'^2) = ½ * (3 * u'^2) = 3/2 u'^2 where (') denotes fluctuating velocity component. Agree?

 September 19, 2007, 13:35 Re: how find fluctuating velocity #5 CycLone Guest   Posts: n/a Yes, good point. You're right, since u is a vector, the turbulent kinetic energy should be 3/2u'^2. My bad. -CycLone

 June 22, 2010, 02:16 #6 Member   Derwin Parkin Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 7 Hi guys, What do I do if I want to find u', v' and w' (the fluctuating velocity in each direction)? Using this method would only allow me to find u'. Or am I understanding this wrong? And what exactly do you mean by anisotropic flow?

 June 22, 2010, 19:54 #7 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,050 Rep Power: 86 If you are using an isotropic turbulence model (eg the 2-eqn models) then u', v' and w' is the same by definition. Only the RSM model allows for a difference between u', v' and w'. Look at a turbulence modelling textbook for more details, "Turbulence Modelling for CFD" by Wilcox is the one I recommend.

 April 20, 2011, 06:23 #8 New Member   José María Carrillo Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Spain Posts: 9 Rep Power: 6 Hi! I'm using the BSL Reynolds Stress model and I want to know how can I find u', v' and w' (the fluctuating velocity in each direction). Can they be calculated with the "Reynolds Stress uu, vv..." variable or with another variable? How can I obtain this terms? Thanks

 April 20, 2011, 18:59 #9 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,050 Rep Power: 86 See a turbulence modelling textbook eg Wilcox.

 April 2, 2012, 11:09 #10 Senior Member   Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 268 Rep Power: 8 But in the CFX Documentation it is written explicitly that Reynolds Stresses may be used by means of CCL!! But How? Jessica

 April 4, 2012, 07:27 #11 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,050 Rep Power: 86 The CFX reference manual lists the availabel CEL variables. I think Reynolds Stresses are available if you have an appropriate turbulence model enabled.

 April 4, 2012, 07:41 #12 Senior Member   Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 268 Rep Power: 8 yeah i have chosen one of them and i am awaiting the reply of ANSYS-Support

 April 5, 2012, 02:36 #13 New Member   Erik Bjerklund Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 3 Rep Power: 8 Right click in the expression window and all available functions and expressions are shown. e.g. massFlowAve(Reynolds Stress uu + Reynolds Stress uw)@outlet

 April 5, 2012, 03:49 #14 Senior Member   Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 268 Rep Power: 8 I need them in Pre and not only at Boundaries...

 April 5, 2012, 08:35 #15 New Member   Erik Bjerklund Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 3 Rep Power: 8 You can use them in pre and monitoring them while running, this can also be done at specified points or max/min/ave of the entire domain You can also use variables while specifying the boundaries. for example make the velocity or temperature dependent of time or other variable. question is if you would get the time fluctuationg part from abstractin u.trans avg from u p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Velocity u - Averaged Velocity u of that I am not sure.

 April 5, 2012, 13:24 #16 Senior Member   Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 268 Rep Power: 8 I know that i am working with it since the begin of my phd but i know i tried to use RSM and want to calibrate the rs.vv to zero (another topic) by introducing some damping.. but it still showing me that the variables are not available.. jessica

 June 24, 2012, 03:24 #17 Super Moderator     Sijal Ahmed Memon (turboenginner@gmail.com) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Islamabad Pakistan Posts: 3,990 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 39 How to find the Reynolds stresses uu, vv, ww, uv, uw and vw in CFD post? @Zaktatir: Any luck in finding the method to specify RS in CFX-Pre?

 June 24, 2012, 06:55 #18 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,050 Rep Power: 86 If you are doing a RSM model it will be in the results file by default (unless you took it out ). You will find it under the puzzlingly labelled "..." button.

 June 24, 2012, 09:30 #19 Super Moderator     Sijal Ahmed Memon (turboenginner@gmail.com) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Islamabad Pakistan Posts: 3,990 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 39 I found it. Just made the contour plot and found them as variables. One more thing. As we know that linear eddy viscosity models assumes that the turbulence stress is linked to mean rate of strain or mean velocity gradient. So in that case uu, vv and ww are equal. While in RSM model they have markable difference in magnitude. But still I have good results with these two equation models. Why?

 June 24, 2012, 19:26 #20 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,050 Rep Power: 86 The RSM and 2-eqn models use very different approaches, as you point out. If uu, vv and WW are quite different and therefore the turbulence is anisotropic you would think that means the 2eqn models should have problems. Your report that they match suggests: 1) Turbulence is not significantly affecting the flow - for instance an airfoil simulation will predict very similar lift regardless of the turbulence model. The drag will be quite different though. 2) It could be the anisotropy is not significantly affecting the flow. 3) It could be just luck, and at a different operating point results are quite different

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