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Old   February 19, 2008, 00:51
Default Validation of CFD data
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Jane
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Can anyone advise on any available technique to validate CFD model for rotary dryer? I am interested in the knowing the gas & particle velocities. Likewise the particle size distribution . Of interest will be to see how to validate the temperature profile inside this dryer.
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Old   February 19, 2008, 17:33
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Hi,

Technique 1: Stick some instruments in a rotary dryer. Take some measurements. Compare to CFD results.

Technique 2: Go to library. Do literature survey on rotary dryers. Hopefully find some good published results relevant to what you are doing. Compare to CFD results.

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Old   February 19, 2008, 19:34
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It's so unfortunate that there is no CFD work on rotary dryers in the literature. As a result, there is no experimental data in this regard. These are my thoughts:

Can I use Particle Image Velocimetry to measure the velocity of the particles. Or I use Laser Doppler Anemometry? I am just interested in the flowfield.
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Old   February 20, 2008, 09:56
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It is possible to use PIV or LDA to capture the flow field provided you make the dryer casing as transparent in order the laser can pass thru.
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Old   February 20, 2008, 10:53
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Jane,

A quick glance with google on rotary dryers has learned me that it is mainly about solids tumbling and colliding with each other and a flow (the drying gas) in between. I do not think you can do this with CFD alone. You might want to have a look at Discrete Element Modeling (see EDEM) in combination with CFD. The interaction of the solids bouncing around is not typicaly something you do with CFD. But I'm no expert on rotary driers (my wife is more into that).

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Old   February 20, 2008, 17:46
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Hi,

Colliding particles is not currently handled in CFX but the rumour is it is being looked at for V12. If you want powerful particle interaction modelling you need to look at software like EDEM (http://www.dem-solutions.com/) I believe it can be coupled to CFX, not sure how I have never done it.

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Old   February 20, 2008, 17:48
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Hi,

Yes, PIV or LDA can give you the particle motion. Bear in mind you are then measuring the particles, not the flow and that may mean you need to properly model the particle/fluid and possibly particle/particle interaction.

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Old   February 21, 2008, 06:18
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Glenn,

EDEM can be coupled with Fluent (I've seen it) and I think at present also with CFX. We use EDEM (not coupled by the way).

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