# Cel expressions

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 November 26, 2009, 07:35 Cel expressions #1 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 i'm new user for CFX 11.0 and is founding difficulty in creating CEL expressions. can anybody send me the guide or tutorilas for the same.

 November 26, 2009, 11:08 #2 Member     Rui Igreja Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Aveiro Posts: 68 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 I don't think you're a new user. Do ALL the CFX Tutorials, and then you'll be a new user. (you can also find them here: http://www.kxcad.net/ansys/ANSYS_CFX...als/index.html ) __________________ Rui

 November 27, 2009, 04:34 rui #3 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 rui, i have already done the tutorilas to get the basic understanding. MY ACTUAL QUESTIONS wAS That wat are the basic conditions we should always use as CEL expressions to get the convergance easily. i mean see if u can help me this way. for example Avgarea expressions could be taken to make the solver solve the problem easily.....i guess and also., thanks for sending me the link.

 November 27, 2009, 05:00 #4 Member     Rui Igreja Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Aveiro Posts: 68 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 In your previous post you said you had difficulties in creating CEL expressions and you asked for tutorials. That's why I said you should do all the CFX tutorials, and posted that link. Now, I have no idea how you can use CEL expressions to get easy convergence. Maybe you could tell us a bit about what you have in mind. __________________ Rui

 November 27, 2009, 05:56 #5 Member     Rui Igreja Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Aveiro Posts: 68 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 If your fluid is incompressible, the outlet pressure doesn't change anything (apart from adding a fixed value to the pressure everywhere), does it? And yes, impose a velocity, or mass flow, at the Inlet and pressure at the Outlet. __________________ Rui

 November 27, 2009, 06:02 rui #6 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 i need ur experience while solving a fluid problem relating to air ducts. i have designed one ducting Plenum(air box), i'm checking the feasibilty for the same. conditions are: Air is supplied to the ducting system by fan at 9.14 m/s (it's a big) to fulfill the capacity of 38000 Cfm(or 64600 m3/hr) my conditions for Pre are: Inlet: normal speed = 9.14 m/s at outlet i'm making it as opening and static pressure= 250 Pa or 25mmWc i'm doubtful how this static pressure is gonna effect coz there is sepration in the ducting afterwards. and if i give velocity at opening than it will forcefully withdraws the air through it. suggest

 November 27, 2009, 06:03 rui #7 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 u are nearby my problem,...... i have given the velocity at inlet and pressure at outlet..... suggest me how to calculate pressure at outlet... with some example

 November 27, 2009, 06:13 #8 Member     Rui Igreja Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Aveiro Posts: 68 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 If you gave the pressure at the outlet, you don't need to calculate it. __________________ Rui

 November 27, 2009, 06:21 rui #9 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 i calculated the pressure drop by considering the bends and friction drop due to the wall. how u calculate pressure drop???

 November 27, 2009, 06:31 #10 Member     Rui Igreja Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Aveiro Posts: 68 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 To me it sounds a good approximation. __________________ Rui

 November 28, 2009, 06:13 #11 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,824 Rep Power: 85 If the simulation is incompressible then the outlet pressure is not important, it will just offset the whole pressure field. The only important thing is the relative pressure. So set the outlet pressure to zero and the simulation will calculate the inlet pressure based on the flow.

 November 30, 2009, 07:05 for compressible fluid #12 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 it good to hear from you for your consideration on incompressible fluid but wat if we are using a compressible fluid like air, than by setting the outlet pressure to be zero is suitable. and if not wat wud be the particular conditions suitable for such kind of problem??

 November 30, 2009, 17:34 #13 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,824 Rep Power: 85 The plenum air flow you describe does not sound like something you would need a compressible flow model for. Why are you considering compressibility? If you do want to use a compressible flow model then yes, you need to set an absolute pressure level. In this case you simply have to put the outlet boundary somewhere you know what the pressure is.

 December 1, 2009, 00:17 Gharrocks #14 New Member   Ramandeep Singh Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 7 it sound to me that providing the relative pressure to zero might solve my problem as any how in plenum the air has a every chance to escape from the plenum as there are vents, so the pressure will not rise much.......

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