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sherifkadry January 28, 2010 13:26

CFX overpredicting turbine massflow
 
I have been modeling a 2 stage axial turbine, and basing my Total Pressure inlet boundary condition and static pressure exit condition based on my experimental results. The turbulence model used is SST, and its a steady state case that's being run. I notice that at all shaft speeds the massflow is overpredicted by 5%. However, total-to-static efficiencies are within 0.5%. What could be the reason for the overprediction? Here is an image of my
model:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...Screenshot.png

Any expert opinions would be helpful thanks.

Attesz January 31, 2010 16:40

5% is not too much I think. It can caused by the inaccuracy of the measurement too. You can find it out by measuring an other quantity. Or doing some mesh sensitivity check can be helpful..

ghorrocks January 31, 2010 17:04

In general, to get the simulation accurate within that last 5% will require very careful and detailed refinement. You will need to do mesh, convergence and timestep sensitivity studies to a much tighter tolerance than you usually would. You will also have to consider the accuracy of your physics to additional precision - for instance does surface roughness contribute? Do you know your gas composition accurately? Are you using real gas models? Is SST suitable for this level of detail? You obviously have a good handle on most of these things if you are within 5% but to get even more accurate you will need to reconsider.

sherifkadry February 1, 2010 04:15

attesz, ghorrocks, thanks for your replies. Ghorrocks you banged on an important point here. When I ran the cfd simulations I ignored the effect of humidity, being that I ran my experiments in Texas (very humid), I think humidity plays an important role, now, I need to figure out how to incorporate humidity, which reduces the density and could explain the 5% difference. Anyone have any ideas on how best to incorporate humidity into CFX, should I run a water-vapour+air ideal gas mixture?


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