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 hydro April 18, 2010 09:47

bulk Temperature - htc

Hi all,

i am doing calculations to determine the heat transfer coefficient. I am interested in values averaged over an area.

Everything works fine. But if i am setting a bulk temperature in the experts parameters to compare the values to literature, cfx gives me averaged values of zero. what is going wrong?

 dvolkind April 18, 2010 13:23

Hello!

Quote: "if i am setting a bulk temperature in the experts parameters to compare the values to literature, cfx gives me averaged values of zero"

Is it close to zero or exactly zero? Which tbulk do you specify?

 hydro April 20, 2010 10:15

Hi,

This is an Air-Flow around a body. For bulk temperature, i use the inlet temperature of 293K. But everytime i specify an arbitary bulk temperature, the htc is exactly zero.

For evaluating the htc, i just use the function calculator. Is this correct? Or do i have to use some kind of expression?

Regards!

 dvolkind April 20, 2010 11:30

Quote: "For evaluating the htc, i just use the function calculator. Is this correct?"

It's all about bulk temperature - its choice depends on what the flow is doing. If you are sure of the bulk temperature, then it's correct.

If htc is exactly zero then there's no heat flux. Are you sure you have thermal (total) energy enabled? Or may be your wall of interest is adiabatic?

Anyway, you can calculate htc yourself in cfx-Post: WallHeatFlux/(Twall-Tair)

 hydro April 20, 2010 17:01

Hi again!

The problem seems to be the function calculator. If i choose the location

1) Domain Interface Fluid

areaAve Wall Heat Flux: 0 Wm^-2
areaAve Wall Adjacent Temp: 300 K (bulk Temp. is this case...)
areaAve Temperature: 590 K
--> areaAve Wall Heat Transfer Coefficient: 0

2) Domain Interface Solid

areaAve Wall Heat Flux: 4012 Wm^-2
areaAve Temperature: 590 K
--> areaAve Wall Heat Transfer Coefficient: undefined

3) Solid Region behind Domain Interface

areaAve Wall Heat Flux: 4012 Wm^-2
areaAve Temperature: 590 K
--> areaAve Wall Heat Transfer Coefficient: undefined

So i think i could easily calculate htc by hand. But the strange thing is, this only happens, when a bulk temperature value is set. If not, i could get a htc-value by the function calculator.

Regards!

 dvolkind April 21, 2010 09:12

What kind of wall BCs do you use?

 hydro April 21, 2010 11:36

1 Attachment(s)
I attached a .ccl -File of this problem. It's a very simple model for testing. The solid is just a simple plate in air domain with a hole in the middle where som heat flux is applied. Domain Interface 1 is plate front, 2 is plate back, 3 are the plate edges. The .gtm -File is quiet large, so i could not attach this.

Thanks and Regards!

 dvolkind April 22, 2010 00:23

Could you please provide some screenshots from cfx-Pre (mesh with BCs marked) and cfx-Post (plane temperature distribution)?

Anyway, your interfaces are OK, but you should set lower RMS and use conservation target for CHT. It's also important to monitor some temperatures in both fluid and solid domains while solving to make sure they don't change significantly within final iterations. That would ensure that fluid/solid timescales are OK.

 hydro April 22, 2010 10:44

Thanks for the hints!

Unfourtunaly, i could not access cfx the next days. But i don't think the problem is the model setup. I also tried the heating coil example provided with the installation (Ansys Version 12.1) and the same behaviour occurs there: you could not get an areaAve htc value with the function calculator when a bulk temperature is set ...

I am also nut sure, how the htc value is calculated, when no bulk temp is set. When i do the calculation by hand using areaAve Wall Temperature, Heat Flux and WallAdjacentTemperature, the result does not match the value the function calculator gives me!

So what is the htc value via functioncalculator and no bulk temperature worth? It seems to be meaningless because it is not clear, witch reference temperature is used...

Regards!

 dvolkind April 22, 2010 11:38

Default reference temperature for htc is the temperature in the first node off the wall. Yes, it seems meaningless that way.

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