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Sas July 8, 2010 12:03

Constant velocity of the material
 
Prompt what assign the border conditions for pipe of the constant section that velocity of the material moving inwardly pipes was constant (0.02 м/с) on the whole length.

Josh July 8, 2010 12:46

...Come again?

Sas July 9, 2010 06:04

Again, probably bad interpreter conveyed meaning:

What boundary conditions are put on the input and output for the speed in the pipe was at a constant level (0,02 m / s)

As the flow - water.

ghorrocks July 9, 2010 07:49

Sorry, I still don't understand what you are asking.

Are you asking what boundary conditions to put on a pipe flowing at 0.02m/s? If so then read the documentation, it describes the choice of boundary conditions. Usually you want a velocity inlet and a pressure outlet.

Sas July 9, 2010 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 266574)
Usually you want a velocity inlet and a pressure outlet.

with these conditions do not get a flat rate with the peaks (drawing), it is necessary that the rate remained constant over the length.

http://imagepost.ru/?v=173/Chart.png

Josh July 9, 2010 11:58

Is "z" the center-line velocity? Could you give us some more information about the simulation? Maybe you could post a picture of the domain, mesh, etc.

Sas July 10, 2010 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh (Post 266626)
Is "z" the center-line velocity? Could you give us some more information about the simulation? Maybe you could post a picture of the domain, mesh, etc.

here is a file .res
http://depositfiles.com/files/risv79gx1

Josh July 10, 2010 13:59

Unfortunately, I'm away from the office until July 19 and don't have access to CFX. Sorry, Sas.

Sas July 10, 2010 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh (Post 266736)
Unfortunately, I'm away from the office until July 19 and don't have access to CFX. Sorry, Sas.

well I'll wait

ghorrocks July 11, 2010 07:37

And I don't look at res files from the forum. Can you post the CCL of your simulation?

Your graph has the value varying between 0.02001 and 0.01998. If you are asking why isn't it 0.02 then a) you have not converged far enough, b) use double precision numerics and c) it will always have some variation due to a numerical solution being used.

Sas July 12, 2010 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 266771)
And I don't look at res files from the forum. Can you post the CCL of your simulation?

Your graph has the value varying between 0.02001 and 0.01998. If you are asking why isn't it 0.02 then a) you have not converged far enough, b) use double precision numerics and c) it will always have some variation due to a numerical solution being used.

.res file
http://depositfiles.com/files/risv79gx1

or CCL

http://depositfiles.com/files/s7xf62km1

ghorrocks July 12, 2010 07:59

It does not let me download it. Can you post the CCL on the forum?

Sas July 12, 2010 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 266880)
It does not let me download it. Can you post the CCL on the forum?

Сan be load on rapidshare?

# State file created: 2010/07/12 19:41:56
# CFX-12.0.1 build 2009.04.14-23.02

LIBRARY:
MATERIAL GROUP: Air Data
Group Description = Ideal gas and constant property air. Constant \
properties are for dry air at STP (0 C, 1 atm) and 25 C, 1 atm.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: CHT Solids
Group Description = Pure solid substances that can be used for conjugate \
heat transfer.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Calorically Perfect Ideal Gases
Group Description = Ideal gases with constant specific heat capacity. \
Specific heat is evaluated at STP.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Constant Property Gases
Group Description = Gaseous substances with constant properties. \
Properties are calculated at STP (0C and 1 atm). Can be combined with \
NASA SP-273 materials for combustion modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Constant Property Liquids
Group Description = Liquid substances with constant properties.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Dry Peng Robinson
Group Description = Materials with properties specified using the built \
in Peng Robinson equation of state. Suitable for dry real gas modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Dry Redlich Kwong
Group Description = Materials with properties specified using the built \
in Redlich Kwong equation of state. Suitable for dry real gas modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Dry Steam
Group Description = Materials with properties specified using the IAPWS \
equation of state. Suitable for dry steam modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Gas Phase Combustion
Group Description = Ideal gas materials which can be use for gas phase \
combustion. Ideal gas specific heat coefficients are specified using \
the NASA SP-273 format.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: IAPWS IF97
Group Description = Liquid, vapour and binary mixture materials which use \
the IAPWS IF-97 equation of state. Materials are suitable for \
compressible liquids, phase change calculations and dry steam flows.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Interphase Mass Transfer
Group Description = Materials with reference properties suitable for \
performing either Eulerian or Lagrangian multiphase mass transfer \
problems. Examples include cavitation, evaporation or condensation.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Liquid Phase Combustion
Group Description = Liquid and homogenous binary mixture materials which \
can be included with Gas Phase Combustion materials if combustion \
modelling also requires phase change (eg: evaporation) for certain \
components.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Particle Solids
Group Description = Pure solid substances that can be used for particle \
tracking
END
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Group Description = Common hydrocarbons which use the Peng Robinson \
equation of state. Suitable for dry real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Peng Robinson Dry Refrigerants
Group Description = Common refrigerants which use the Peng Robinson \
equation of state. Suitable for dry real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Peng Robinson Dry Steam
Group Description = Water materials which use the Peng Robinson equation \
of state. Suitable for dry steam modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Peng Robinson Wet Hydrocarbons
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equation of state. Suitable for condensing real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Peng Robinson Wet Refrigerants
Group Description = Common refrigerants which use the Peng Robinson \
equation of state. Suitable for condensing real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Peng Robinson Wet Steam
Group Description = Water materials which use the Peng Robinson equation \
of state. Suitable for condensing steam modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Real Gas Combustion
Group Description = Real gas materials which can be use for gas phase \
combustion. Ideal gas specific heat coefficients are specified using \
the NASA SP-273 format.
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MATERIAL GROUP: Redlich Kwong Dry Hydrocarbons
Group Description = Common hydrocarbons which use the Redlich Kwong \
equation of state. Suitable for dry real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Redlich Kwong Dry Refrigerants
Group Description = Common refrigerants which use the Redlich Kwong \
equation of state. Suitable for dry real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Redlich Kwong Dry Steam
Group Description = Water materials which use the Redlich Kwong equation \
of state. Suitable for dry steam modelling.
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MATERIAL GROUP: Redlich Kwong Wet Hydrocarbons
Group Description = Common hydrocarbons which use the Redlich Kwong \
equation of state. Suitable for condensing real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Redlich Kwong Wet Refrigerants
Group Description = Common refrigerants which use the Redlich Kwong \
equation of state. Suitable for condensing real gas models.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Redlich Kwong Wet Steam
Group Description = Water materials which use the Redlich Kwong equation \
of state. Suitable for condensing steam modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Soot
Group Description = Solid substances that can be used when performing \
soot modelling
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MATERIAL GROUP: User
Group Description = Materials that are defined by the user
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MATERIAL GROUP: Water Data
Group Description = Liquid and vapour water materials with constant \
properties. Can be combined with NASA SP-273 materials for combustion \
modelling.
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Group Description = Materials with properties specified using the built \
in Peng Robinson equation of state. Suitable for wet real gas modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Wet Redlich Kwong
Group Description = Materials with properties specified using the built \
in Redlich Kwong equation of state. Suitable for wet real gas modelling.
END
MATERIAL GROUP: Wet Steam
Group Description = Materials with properties specified using the IAPWS \
equation of state. Suitable for wet steam modelling.
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Option = Pure Substance
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PROPERTIES:
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EQUATION OF STATE:
Molar Mass = 28.96 [kg kmol^-1]
Option = Ideal Gas
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Specific Heat Type = Constant Pressure
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Reference Specific Entropy = 0. [J/kg/K]
Reference Temperature = 25 [C]
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Reference Specific Entropy = 0. [J/kg/K]
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Reference Specific Entropy = 0 [J/kg/K]
Reference Temperature = 25 [C]
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Option = Value
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Option = Value
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Reference Specific Entropy = 0 [J/kg/K]
Reference Temperature = 25 [C]
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EQUATION OF STATE:
Density = 2000 [kg m^-3]
Molar Mass = 12 [kg kmol^-1]
Option = Value
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REFERENCE STATE:
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Option = Value
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Thermodynamic State = Liquid
PROPERTIES:
Option = General Material
EQUATION OF STATE:
Density = 2600 [kg m^-3]
Molar Mass = 1.0 [kg kmol^-1]
Option = Value
END
SPECIFIC HEAT CAPACITY:
Option = Value
Specific Heat Capacity = 1110 [J kg^-1 K^-1]
Specific Heat Type = Constant Pressure
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Reference Specific Enthalpy = 0 [J kg^-1]
Reference Specific Entropy = 0 [J kg^-1 K^-1]
Reference Temperature = 25 [C]
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DYNAMIC VISCOSITY:
Dynamic Viscosity = 0.01 [kg m^-1 s^-1]
Option = Value
END
THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY:
Option = Value
Thermal Conductivity = 0.34 [W m^-1 K^-1]
END
ABSORPTION COEFFICIENT:
Absorption Coefficient = 10 [m^-1]
Option = Value
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SCATTERING COEFFICIENT:
Option = Value
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END
REFRACTIVE INDEX:
Option = Value
Refractive Index = 4
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END
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MATERIAL: Steel
Material Group = CHT Solids, Particle Solids
Option = Pure Substance
Thermodynamic State = Solid
PROPERTIES:
Option = General Material
EQUATION OF STATE:
Density = 7854 [kg m^-3]
Molar Mass = 55.85 [kg kmol^-1]
Option = Value
END
SPECIFIC HEAT CAPACITY:
Option = Value
Specific Heat Capacity = 4.34E+02 [J kg^-1 K^-1]
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REFERENCE STATE:
Option = Specified Point
Reference Specific Enthalpy = 0 [J/kg]
Reference Specific Entropy = 0 [J/kg/K]
Reference Temperature = 25 [C]
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THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY:
Option = Value
Thermal Conductivity = 60.5 [W m^-1 K^-1]
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Material Group = Water Data, Constant Property Liquids
Option = Pure Substance
Thermodynamic State = Liquid
PROPERTIES:
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Density = 997.0 [kg m^-3]
Molar Mass = 18.02 [kg kmol^-1]
Option = Value
END
SPECIFIC HEAT CAPACITY:
Option = Value
Specific Heat Capacity = 4181.7 [J kg^-1 K^-1]
Specific Heat Type = Constant Pressure
END
REFERENCE STATE:
Option = Specified Point
Reference Pressure = 1 [atm]
Reference Specific Enthalpy = 0.0 [J/kg]
Reference Specific Entropy = 0.0 [J/kg/K]
Reference Temperature = 25 [C]
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Option = Value
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THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY:
Option = Value
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Option = Value
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SCATTERING COEFFICIENT:
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Solid Angle Units = [sr]
Temperature Units = [K]
Time Units = [s]
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ghorrocks July 12, 2010 19:12

So it looks like you are doing a simple flow analysis with free slip walls and are wondering why the velocity is not 0.02m/s everywhere. Why did you not say this?

The answer is simple. Your convergence is very loose. Converge tighter.

Sas July 13, 2010 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 266979)
So it looks like you are doing a simple flow analysis with free slip walls and are wondering why the velocity is not 0.02m/s everywhere. Why did you not say this?

The answer is simple. Your convergence is very loose. Converge tighter.

that is, as I understand you must install Residual Target less than 1.E-4 (1.E-5 or 1.E-6)?

ghorrocks July 13, 2010 08:56

Converge as tight as you need to get the accuracy you want.


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