CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > CFX

Proper BCs for internal fan

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   June 25, 2010, 21:18
Default Proper BCs for internal fan
  #1
New Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 20
Rep Power: 15
serezhkin is on a distinguished road
Hi everyone,

I am trying to setup and internal fan in CFX and I would like to get your opinion.

I am specifying an CFX inlet (fan outlet) with static pressure BC, where
P(fan_outlet)=P(fan_inlet)+dP,
and where dP is a function of mass flow rate at fan inlet according to fan curve.

The BC on fan inlet is CFX outlet BC with mass flow rate condition, where mass flow rate (fan inlet) is equal to mass flow rate (fan outlet).

It seems like these conditions work, but I would like to get your opinion if this is a good way to setup an internal fan.

Any suggestions and comments are appreciated.
serezhkin is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   June 26, 2010, 07:31
Default
  #2
Super Moderator
 
Glenn Horrocks
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 17,703
Rep Power: 143
ghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really nice
You can also do this where you get the pressure on either side of the fan and apply the mass flow rate from the fan curve. Same fan curve, just looking at it a different way - but this way will probably be more stable.
ghorrocks is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   June 28, 2010, 13:48
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 20
Rep Power: 15
serezhkin is on a distinguished road
I think you are right. The pressure condition does seem less stable. I will try the mass flow rate BC instead. Thank you!

Update: I tried setting Mass flow rate (MFR) on both sides of the fan using the Fan curve and pressure difference across the fan, and it turns out this BC is unstable and leads to a divergence within 3-5 iterations.

Update 2: Setting MFR_in=MFR_out on fan outlet and pressure BC (according to fan curve and MFR) on fan inlet resulted in oscillation of residuals (no convergence), so even though it is more stable, it does not converge.

Update 3: The poor convergence (oscillations) was resolved by weakening the average pressure condition on fan inlet side: P_weak(average)=0.5*P_current+0.5*(P_fan_outlet-dP(fan curve))
The fan outlet condition is still mass flow rate: MFR_outlet=MFR_inlet.
I will experiment with coefficients in the weak pressure BC, but as long as there no oscillations of residuals, I believe the BCs work fine.

Last edited by serezhkin; June 29, 2010 at 20:47.
serezhkin is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 28, 2010, 10:04
Default
  #4
New Member
 
@rjun
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 1
Rep Power: 0
nagarjunae is on a distinguished road
a...................................
nagarjunae is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Jet fan and Tunnel simulation ahlo7 CFX 9 November 13, 2019 04:54
radial fan model bc's seza FLUENT 2 December 27, 2013 03:52
Propeller Fan Curve Simulation Teng_YJ FLUENT 2 February 16, 2009 19:37
PLS,how to set BCs for a fan model??? MANU FLUENT 1 April 9, 2006 07:05
How to set BCs for 3D double inlet centrifugal fan siswara FLUENT 6 July 5, 2001 01:47


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 16:19.