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Old   December 3, 2010, 21:33
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I am carrying out analysis of a wind turbine in CFX as part of my final year project . Due to complicated geometry , i cannot analyze a single blade , so i have to analyse the whole scaled model in cfx . i have created three domains , Stationary 1 , Rotating and Stationary 2 . Inlet is specified at stationary 1 ( By total pressure 1atm) , in the middle there is the rotating domain ( Rotational speed = 60 rpm), while outlet is specified at Stationary 2 (by mass flow rate 4.65 kg/s) . The turbine model is in the rotating domain .
Other things u need to know abt my setup are :

1. Interface is created b/w Stationary 1 and Rotating (FLuid-Fluid interface , frozen rotor model used)
2. interface is created b/w rotating and stationary 2 (Fluid fluid interface frozen rotr model used)


Rotating Domain :
1. Boundary condition WALL is specified at the turbine geometry .
2. Shroud is set as counter rotating wall .


Please refer to the attached jpg to see the setup .

The problem i am having is that the streamlines of velocity obtained in post processing pass through the turbine (which was specified as a WALL in rotating domain ) , otherwise the flow seems to be pretty accurate .

Can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong ?
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Old   December 4, 2010, 06:52
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It is because you are using velocity in the stationary frame in the rotating section. Use the variable "Velocity in stationary frame" and it won't do that.
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Old   December 6, 2010, 02:58
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dear ghorocks , thans for ur reply . I also tried using Velocity in Stn frame , but still the streamlines pass through the blade specified as wall . Any other suggestions ? um really in trouble here ..
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Old   December 6, 2010, 07:34
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If you don't want lines through walls you should look at each section in its own frame of reference. Look at the stationary sections with velocities in the stationary frame of reference, look at the rotating sections in a rotating frame of reference.

There could also be other problems
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What other problems could be there ? i am using solid model of my turbine inside the rotating domain specified as wall .. should i use a hollow model ? ( by hollow model i mean leave the geometrical space occupied by the turbine vacant inside rotating domain) .... could this be the problem ?
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Hey, iŽm having the same problem, wanted to ask you if you could resolve the problem. and how? im getting a good convergence the presure and velocity plot are ok but the streamlines just go straight.you can not see the turbulence in the velocity vector plot. :s what can i do?
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Old   February 2, 2012, 17:24
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What do you mean by not seeing the turbulence in the velocity vector plot? Do you mean you want to see the turbulent eddies in the velocity vectors?

Can you describe your model - what turbulence model, what are you modelling?
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Old   February 3, 2012, 07:46
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thank you for the quick answer
what i meant was that in the velocity vector plot i dont see the vortices that are supposed to be generetad by the fluid flow after a body.because the stream lines are a representation with lines of this vortices.isnt it? or im wrong :s ?
I design myself a wind turbine in pro e with some data and studies i fond on the internet.the wind velocity is 8 m/s and the rpm are 22.5
So what i did was to put the velocity with a normal velocity inlet and the rotation i did it over the reference frames and the gave rpm.
I extracted the turbine from a small circular volumen and then this one from a bigger fluid area. i connected the circular volumen and the fluid volumen with 2 interfaces.
the first one the circular front/back is an In place-FAN interface and the second one is the other area and i did it with an In plane-Baffle Interface. Then i said that the turbine region should have an tagential velocity specification method: none and reference frame absolut. im not sure if it works this way for the rotion and the flow from wind.
the physics models that im using: 3D,Steady,Ideal Gas,Segregated flow,turbulent,K-epsilon T. and im runing another simulation with Stadard Spalart-Allmaras (eddie). but im not to familiarized with this turbulenz modell.
i also wanted to ask something like this is possible with star ccm+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_iL8PXOD8
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Old   February 5, 2012, 18:27
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A well designed wind turbine running at design conditions will have very little vorticies coming off it.
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Old   February 6, 2012, 05:57
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Still, it doesn't matter how well something is design (aereodinamycs) it always comes to swirls. plus it is rotating there must be vortices.this is how the streamlines look like after eddie.1. Pic and the 2. its from a ventitalortor tutorial
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The amount of swirl on something like this will be tiny. Look closely and you will find it.
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hi, can you help to interpreted this plots i got.i think i have some trouble with the MRF or with the interfaces :s
as it where complete separeted from the flow area. no effect from the wind turbine. the last pic is how it shoul look like
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These simulation have been done in Star and I do not know star at all. You should post these question on the star forum.
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I am carrying out analysis of a wind turbine in CFX as part of my final year project . Due to complicated geometry , i cannot analyze a single blade , so i have to analyse the whole scaled model in cfx . i have created three domains , Stationary 1 , Rotating and Stationary 2 . Inlet is specified at stationary 1 ( By total pressure 1atm) , in the middle there is the rotating domain ( Rotational speed = 60 rpm), while outlet is specified at Stationary 2 (by mass flow rate 4.65 kg/s) . The turbine model is in the rotating domain .
Other things u need to know abt my setup are :

1. Interface is created b/w Stationary 1 and Rotating (FLuid-Fluid interface , frozen rotor model used)
2. interface is created b/w rotating and stationary 2 (Fluid fluid interface frozen rotr model used)


Rotating Domain :
1. Boundary condition WALL is specified at the turbine geometry .
2. Shroud is set as counter rotating wall .


Please refer to the attached jpg to see the setup .

The problem i am having is that the streamlines of velocity obtained in post processing pass through the turbine (which was specified as a WALL in rotating domain ) , otherwise the flow seems to be pretty accurate .

Can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong ?
hi,Bournegenius.have you solved the streamline problem?
i have a problem similar to yours. i am simulating a ducted fan, it seems that the streamlines pass through the fan, i can't find out the answer.
thanks in advance
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Streamline do not pass through walls in a steady state, stationary frame of reference simulation unless:
* The integration of the streamline is not accurate
* The simulation is not converged adequately.

If the simulation is a rotating frame of reference simulation the streamlines may hit walls if you integrate velocity in the stationary frame in a rotating frame of reference. Alternately, if you integrate velocity in the rotating frame of reference they might hit in the stationary frame.

If the simulation is transient then instantaneous streamlines can hit the walls. If this bothers you then change to massless particle tracks, which include the time integration.
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Streamline do not pass through walls in a steady state, stationary frame of reference simulation unless:
* The integration of the streamline is not accurate
* The simulation is not converged adequately.

If the simulation is a rotating frame of reference simulation the streamlines may hit walls if you integrate velocity in the stationary frame in a rotating frame of reference. Alternately, if you integrate velocity in the rotating frame of reference they might hit in the stationary frame.

If the simulation is transient then instantaneous streamlines can hit the walls. If this bothers you then change to massless particle tracks, which include the time integration.
thank you for your reply, ghorrocks.
my problem is that i ntegrate velocity in the stationary frame in a rotating frame of reference.
can you tell me why instantaneous streamlines can hit the walls?
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When a wall has some motion normal to the wall then streamlines can hit the wall. Just have a play with it and you will see. I do not feel like writing a mathematical proof of it as it is obvious when you look at what is going on.
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