# Difference between domain motion and rotating wall

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 January 25, 2011, 12:18 Difference between domain motion and rotating wall #1 New Member   Willian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brasil Posts: 22 Rep Power: 7 Hi everyone, Can anyone tell me what is the difference between domain motion and rotating wall formulations? I know that it depends on the case, but what if I can use both on my case? I´m studying an internal flow in a vertical cilynder, something like a centrifugal pump, and I´m getting different results. Assuming a symmetric surface, I can´t see why this happens. I also have been looking on CFX help, but there isn´t such information. I´ll be grateful if anyone can help me, Willian Last edited by 100tinela; January 25, 2011 at 12:57.

 January 25, 2011, 17:02 #2 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,926 Rep Power: 85 Moving mesh models arbitrary motion of the mesh with the internal mesh moved by mesh smoothing. Rotating domains only allows rotation and the internal mesh is moved by a simple rotation transform. The result is that moving mesh adds significant CPU time and can make convergence harder, but rotating domains will take about the same time as a stationary mesh simulation and convergence will be similar (ie no extra simulation time or convergence issues). If the motion is rotation then use a rotating frame of reference. If the motion requires more arbitrary motion then that use moving mesh.

January 25, 2011, 21:18
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 Originally Posted by ghorrocks Moving mesh models arbitrary motion of the mesh with the internal mesh moved by mesh smoothing. Rotating domains only allows rotation and the internal mesh is moved by a simple rotation transform. The result is that moving mesh adds significant CPU time and can make convergence harder, but rotating domains will take about the same time as a stationary mesh simulation and convergence will be similar (ie no extra simulation time or convergence issues). If the motion is rotation then use a rotating frame of reference. If the motion requires more arbitrary motion then that use moving mesh.
Hi Glenn,

First of all, thanks a lot for your help. Until now I couldn't find any useful information about it. But when I use rotating domain the convergence becomes harder (I'm monitoring RMS and mass flow rates) and the mass flow rate at the outlet is smaller (difference of 16%). I didn't say before, but it's also a multiphase flow simulation.
I know there are many other factors that must be taken into consideration, but can I consider that in general the moving mesh model will provide better results?

Willian

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 January 26, 2011, 00:29 #4 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10,926 Rep Power: 85 No. The moving mesh will not give better results. It is harder to get good results with the moving mesh model. If the motion is rotation then use the rotating model. It is that simple.

 January 26, 2011, 08:52 #5 New Member   Willian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Brasil Posts: 22 Rep Power: 7 Ok, that is what I wanted to know. Thanks Glenn!

 January 31, 2011, 15:28 #6 Senior Member   Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 516 Rep Power: 12 Your original question was asking about the rotating wall formulation - I take this to mean imposing a rotational velocity on a wall rather than using the moving mesh approach. If you are imposing a rotational wall velocity then it's only valid for motion that is tangential to the wall surface - i.e. you cannot model a blade using this approach.

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 Originally Posted by stumpy Your original question was asking about the rotating wall formulation - I take this to mean imposing a rotational velocity on a wall rather than using the moving mesh approach. If you are imposing a rotational wall velocity then it's only valid for motion that is tangential to the wall surface - i.e. you cannot model a blade using this approach.
Yes, in my case I have motion tangential to the wall surface, but like I said before I've decided to use domain motion in my simulations, especially because I'll start to simulate assymetric geometries and the velocity profiles on the wall can become too complex to specify.

But thanks, I appreciate your help.

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