# Rotating problem / transient / 2D

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May 29, 2011, 09:50
Rotating problem / transient / 2D
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Stefan
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Hi
I have to simulate a special vertical wind turbine where the airfoils itself are rotating. It should look like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9d0F...eature=related , but with rotating airfoils.
I have done all the tutorials, and read old threads here, so simulating a normal vwt is no problem, but my case is quite tricky because of the rotating domain in a rotating domain.
How should I make this?
(especially the problem of the non stationary rotation axis of the airfoil)

Setup details:
2D
Transient Rotor Stator Interfaces between the three domains
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 May 29, 2011, 19:04 #2 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,059 Rep Power: 86 You can do the simply rotating domain with a rotating frame of reference. But the domain with the rotation within a rotation will not work with this approach. You will need to use a moving mesh approach to do this and define the motion.

 May 29, 2011, 22:01 #3 New Member   A.R. Baserinia Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 24 Rep Power: 7 There might be a tricky workaround for this problem, but I have never tried it. You can assume your turbine is fixed, but the outer domain rotating. Therefore, you'll have a rotating domain on the outside and another rotating domain around the airfoil. The problem is that the turbine is actually rotating wrt an inertial reference frame. Therefore you have to add the non-inertial forces (centrifugal and Coriolis) as source terms into the momentum equation.

 May 30, 2011, 06:14 #4 Super Moderator   Glenn Horrocks Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,059 Rep Power: 86 Nice idea, providing the non-inertial forces are small this approach would work. It would make post-processing a bit of a challenge. But if the non-inertial terms are significant then you have no choice but to model the real motion, and I cannot see any other way except moving mesh for the inner domain.

 May 30, 2011, 10:39 #5 New Member   Stefan Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 6 Thanks for your help. I also think that a moving mesh could be the solution for my problem, but in my first attempts the airfoil got deformed while moving, so the solution was useless.

 July 8, 2011, 04:56 #6 New Member   James Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 25 Rep Power: 7 Hi, I have setup a similar problem, you might find this thread helpful... Moving meshes/Rotating Domains James

 July 8, 2011, 06:57 #7 New Member   Stefan Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 6 Thanks a lot James!! I will try it immediately!

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