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arien009 October 15, 2011 14:12

Fluid-Solid Domain
 
Hi, I am currently using CFX to model the movement of a sand particle through a water channel.

I have 2 domains, a fluid domain for water, and a solid domain for a sand particle. Can I check how what setting can I use so that I can see the solid domain follow the flow of the fluid domain? So far, the only option I have found is the boundary detail under the Fluid Solid interface which allows me to change the Mesh Motion options.

Thanks in advance.

ghorrocks October 16, 2011 18:16

Can you explain what you are trying to do? Most people model stuff like sand with a particle tracking model. So why are you using a solid domain? Are you trying to model the motion of the sand particle on the individual grain level?

arien009 October 16, 2011 18:35

Fluid-Solid Domain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ghorrocks (Post 328127)
Can you explain what you are trying to do? Most people model stuff like sand with a particle tracking model. So why are you using a solid domain? Are you trying to model the motion of the sand particle on the individual grain level?

Yes, I am trying to model the sand particle at the grain level. I am now starting with just 1 grain to see the interaction, and will proceed on to more. What must I do to the settings such that the solid domain (sand particle) will move responding to the flow I have applied to the fluid domain (water)?

Thanks.

ghorrocks October 16, 2011 18:41

Any of the rigid body approaches should make the sand grain move as fluid flows over it.

But before we go any further we will need to understand what you intend to get out of this work. Why are you interested in the flow over a single grain? What is wrong is existing drag models, packing factors and other particle models already present?

arien009 October 16, 2011 18:53

Fluid-Solid Domain
 
I am studying the behavior of a non-newtonian fluid in particlular the interactions of each individual particles subjected to a transient pressure loading and then the behavior after the pressure is relaxed. I need to measure the displacement of the particles when subjected to a pressure applied to the fluid body.

Thanks.

ghorrocks October 16, 2011 19:11

I see. If you only have one particle and no collisions this can be done using immersed solid (although the immersed solid approach may have accuracy issues with non-newtonian flow, depending on exactly what sort of non-newtonian model you have). The other rigid body approaches with moving mesh are move accurate but harder to implement - and extremely hard to implement if you have multiple particles.

What type of non-newtonian fluid is it? Non-newtonian in shear, time or something else?

arien009 October 16, 2011 19:27

It's Shear Thickening Fluid.

I have tried modeling the sand particle using 'Transient Structural' while the water using 'Fluid Flow (CFX)', similar to the oscillating Plate with 2-way FSI tutorial but I keep encountering the error below, which I think might be due to meshing?

Which method is recommended to handle my problem?
1. using purely CFX (my original question in this thread)
2. using the Transient Structural and Fluid Flow (CFX) method
3. any others?


+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| ERROR #001100279 has occurred in subroutine ErrAction. |
| Message: |
| CFX encountered the error: Read. Fatal error occurred when reque- |
| sting Total Mesh Displacement for Interface. |
| |
| |
| |
| |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| ERROR #001100279 has occurred in subroutine ErrAction. |
| Message: |
| cplg_SendCommand failed to send the command: ERROR -- CFX encount- |
| ered the error: Read. Fatal error occurred when requesting Total |
| Mesh Displacement for Interface. |
| |
| |
| |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Writing crash recovery file |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| ERROR #001100279 has occurred in subroutine ErrAction. |
| Message: |
| Stopped in routine cplg_SendCommand |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| An error has occurred in cfx5solve: |
| |
| The ANSYS CFX solver exited with return code 1. No results file |
| has been created. |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
End of solution stage.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| The following transient and backup files written by the ANSYS CFX |
| solver have been saved in the directory C:/Documents and |
| Settings/wzhu/Local |
| Settings/Temp/161011_5020_Working/dp0/CFX/CFX/Work1/Fluid Flow |
| CFX_002: |
| |
| 0_CS.trn |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| An error has occurred in cfx5solve: |
| |
| ANSYS Solver terminated with return code 256 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

ghorrocks October 17, 2011 07:47

Looks like you are using a moving mesh approach. This is the most difficult approach to do so I would not use this unless you have good reason to do so.

Firstly, as this is a shear thickening fluid then it has no transient component (or does the non-newt fluid generate its own transient flows?). Then can you so a series of steady state runs at various relative flow rates and generate a drag versus slip velocity curve, then you can use a simple solver to integrate up the motion of the sand grain.

Secondly, if this approach is too simplistic for you then the easiest approach to model it directly is using immersed solids. As the flow is very low Re number this should work fine.

And finally, why are you modelling an individual grain of sand? Are you trying to develop a drag law for your fluid to apply in a lagrangian particle tracking model with lots of grains? Or something else? People do not usually care where a single grain of sand ends up :)

arien009 October 19, 2011 21:05

Can I check whether should I use the Rigid Body Modeling to simulate my problem (see below)?

http://www.edr.no/blogg/ansys_blogge..._body_modeling

I am also wondering what is the size of the 'subdomain' I should choose to 'wrap around' the the rigid body. Any good rule of thumb?

ghorrocks October 20, 2011 07:28

That tutorial only shows a few of the available methods. If you explain what you are doing more fully we might be able to help you choose the best method. Specifically:

Quote:

why are you modelling an individual grain of sand? Are you trying to develop a drag law for your fluid to apply in a lagrangian particle tracking model with lots of grains? Or something else? People do not usually care where a single grain of sand ends up :)

juliom October 20, 2011 09:50

I think you should think about using the multiphase model lagrange or discrte model.
I thin you just want to knoe how is the path of your sands particle, am I right?

arien009 October 20, 2011 12:37

I need to model the position of each sand particle in the fluid (assume all the same size and shape) when subjected to an impact loading on the overall fluid domain. To see how they align and after that see how they realign after the impact loading is dispersed.

juliom October 20, 2011 13:39

So, I am almost sure you should use teh lagrange model (particle model), it is a kinf of multiphase model..
Your problem is a multiphase problem indeed.

ghorrocks October 20, 2011 18:22

If you want to model grain packing then you will need to do a DEM model. CFX cannot do this itself, you will need to couple CFX to something like EDEM to do that.


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