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Old   March 12, 2012, 09:45
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Hi! Please let me know what is a principal difference between Total pressure in rel frame and Total Pressure functions in a case of axial turbine stage problem. CFX Post returns different fields of theese variables on turbo surface with constant span =0.5, but i think they must be identical. Thanks.
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Old   March 12, 2012, 17:25
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Total pressure = p + 1/2 rho v^2

The velocity term is different depending on what frame of reference you measure it in. This means total pressure is different in different frames of reference.
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Old   March 13, 2012, 09:53
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Thanks, ghorrocks. I was made a mistake in my question, in fact I told about only rotating domain. The velocity term on the rotating frame of reference is the same for total pressure and total pressure in rel frame, isn't it? So why do the total pressure and total pressure in rel frame fields for look different in a same rotating domain?
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My previous post explains why. Because the velocity in the two frames of reference is different.
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Ok, probably it's my english problems.

I ask you directly:

What is the differnce between:

Total Pressure in Stn Frame=p+1/2*rho*Ustn^2 (1)

Total Pressure in Rel Frame=p+1/2*rho*Urel^2 (2)

Total Pressure = p+1/2*rho*(Urel^2-(omega*R)^2) (3)

I know, that Urel=Ustn-omega*R in rotating systems,

Physical meaning of 1 term - absolute total pressure

Physical meaning of 2 term - relative total pressure

But what's the physical meaning of term 3 ????!!!!

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Eqn 3 is not total pressure. It is rothalpy. Look it up in the documentation (eqn 1-56 in the theory guide) or on google.
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Total pressure = p + 1/2 rho v^2

The velocity term is different depending on what frame of reference you measure it in. This means total pressure is different in different frames of reference.
Hi Dear ghorrocks;
Total pressure in rotating frame is less than static pressure (In the outlet ), whereas according to equation: Total Pressure in Rel Frame=p+1/2*rho*Urel^2, it should be greater than static pressure because of positive values of "1/2*rho*Urel^2" in any condition(rotating or stationary frame) .
My test case is NASA rotor37. What is the reason for this contradiction?
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Urel=Ustn-omega*R and Ptotal(rot)=pstatic+1/2*rho*Urel^2, as aresult: Ptotal(rot)=pstatic+1/2*rho*(Ustn-omega*R)^2
but in cfx theory guide(equation 1-53): Ptot(rot)=Pstatic+1/2*rho*(Urel*Urel-(omega*R.omega*R)). What is the reason for this contradiction?
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Are you saying you are getting total pressure in a rotating frame less than inlet static pressure in your case? Can you post an image of what you are modelling? And the boundary conditions?
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Yes, In CFD-Post, 3 Total pressure is exist: Total Pressure, Total pressure in Rel Frame and Total Pressure in stn Frame. Total pressure is less than static pressure but total pressure in rel frame and total pressure in stn frame is greater than static pressure. Image of Mach contour in 80% span is attached. Boundary condition:
Test case: NASA ROTOR 37
Reference pressure:0 [pa]
Inlet: Total pressure:1[atm]
Outlet: Static pressure:106.5 [kpa]
Angular velocity:-1800[rad/s]
High resolution discretization is used for all equations.
High speed numeric, clip pressure and high resolution rhio chow algorithm are activated via advance parameter tab in solution tab.
I can not reach to nominal mass flow rate (20.19 kg/s) and total pressure ratio (2.1) by variation in static pressure. I reached to pressure ratio 1.88 and mass flow rate 20.38 at best condition. What is its solution?
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