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Old   June 8, 2013, 14:09
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Hello All,

I am trying to track sediment movmemnt in Flow-3D so as to picture the incipient movement of the grains. I would be glad if you shove me some idea on how to do it.

I mean aside to the checking the concentration difference.

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Old   June 12, 2013, 11:57
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Hello All,

I am trying to track sediment movmemnt in Flow-3D so as to picture the incipient movement of the grains. I would be glad if you shove me some idea on how to do it.

I mean aside to the checking the concentration difference.

Thank you,
You could use mass particles - using the initial particle block or sources, - to track individual sediment grains. The particles would have to have the same properties - size and density, - as the sediment. However, particles do not interact with each other, unlike the real sediment particles.
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Old   June 12, 2013, 16:44
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Hello MuxaB,

Thank you for your replay. I understand how the particles behave but I have no clue on how to activate it in the program and nothing is mentioned in the user manual/ Flow-3D documentation. Would you be kind enough to shove me some ideas on how to do it in F-3D.
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Old   June 25, 2013, 02:18
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hi
it is very easy, go to particle in physics, choose block, define the location of your block, choose diameter and number of particle then ok. choose rho and other properties then run your case.

i hope it helps u
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Have you figured it out?

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it is very easy, go to particle in physics, choose block, define the location of your block, choose diameter and number of particle then ok. choose rho and other properties then run your case.

i hope it helps u
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Old   July 14, 2013, 12:54
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Right I have activated it and thank you gents.

It is funny though to find that the particles are behaving differently than the packed sediments. The packed sediment deposition and scouring is variable with respect to time & space clearly depicting the stochastic behavior. However with the mass particles, limited number move in a very short period of time and nothing is observed after that. So is it possible that the mass particles are behaving differently?
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It is certainly possible. Mass particles do not get 'packed' like sediment does. They move according to the force balance - pressure, gravity, drag from fluid.

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Right I have activated it and thank you gents.

It is funny though to find that the particles are behaving differently than the packed sediments. The packed sediment deposition and scouring is variable with respect to time & space clearly depicting the stochastic behavior. However with the mass particles, limited number move in a very short period of time and nothing is observed after that. So is it possible that the mass particles are behaving differently?
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but the force balance is also behind the incipient movement of sediment grains even though the local small turbulence may be very chaotic (stochastic).
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Old   July 16, 2013, 18:43
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Not quite. Particles are tracked as Lagrangian bodies using the 2nd Newton's law. Sediment is tracked as continuum, so there will be differences. Particles do not interact with each other, only with fluid. For example, particles do not pack and form packed bed.

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but the force balance is also behind the incipient movement of sediment grains even though the local small turbulence may be very chaotic (stochastic).
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Old   July 19, 2013, 08:15
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The results along with your explanation clearly depicts that the use particles in place of sediment to understand the starting movement of sand grains is impossible.
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If you wish to study forces acting on a single particle, consider using 'general moving object' physics. The scale of the model will be very small so that one or two individual grains are resolved. Then you can look at angularity, resting orientation, etc.
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