# problem with the model of turbulence.

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 December 2, 2013, 16:20 problem with the model of turbulence. #1 Member   ouni firas Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 4 dear JBurnham When i run a simulation of a flow over labyrinth weir with the model of laminar ; the simulation converge and it give good results ; but for the same model when i use the turbulence model K-e with a Turbulent mixing length as 7% of the flow depth ho over the spillway the model does not converge and the simulation stop before the finish time and this post APPEAR: time-step

 December 3, 2013, 13:12 #2 Senior Member   Jeff Burnham Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 204 Rep Power: 8 DT is the time step size. DTMIN is the minimum time step size, which you can set. There are many possible reasons why the time step is too small. Check your mesh resolution, boundary conditions, initial conditions, and fluid parameters. If the simulation is very long, then set DTMIN = 1E-6 or 1E-7. You shouldn't use DTMIN that is smaller, it will never finish running.

 December 3, 2013, 16:31 #3 Member   ouni firas Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 4 dear JBurnham when i have use minimum step Time as 1e-40 . the simulation stop at 8 second an this message appear ''end of calculation at t= 8.001E+00 cycle = 7189 excessive pressure iteration failures''

 December 3, 2013, 16:41 #4 Senior Member   Jeff Burnham Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 204 Rep Power: 8 Ounifras - if the model is terminating because of bad pressures, then you have to revisit the model setup. Check the following: 1) mesh: a single cell aspect ratio should be <= 3:1, two neighboring cells should vary in length by <= 1.25:1, multi-blocks should have the same cell sizes or cell sizes that are 2x each other, and multi-block boundaries and grid lines should match gridlines in the neighboring blocks. Cells should be small enough to eliminate 'sliver cells', which happen when a small part of a cell is open to flow: velocities in that sliver get very high, and this causes problems for the solver. 2) boundary conditions: are they realistic? are they correct? do they match initial conditions? will there be splashing at the start of the simulation? 3) initial conditions: are they realistic? are they correct? do they match boundary conditions? will there be splashing at the start of the simulation? 4) geometry: have you checked and fixed your .stl files in another program like netfabb Studio? is all geometry adequately resolved at all places by at least two or three cells? are there sliver cells that need to be eliminated? 5) fluid and physics parameters: are all units correct and consistent? Do you understand the meaning of the input variables you've added? 6) if all of the above are true, start turning off physics models until only gravity and turbulence are left. Try running the model in 2-D. Once you've solved the problem, go back to 3-D. This is a general guide. Unfortunately I don't have time to look at your case. If you have the option, I'd consider asking whoever sold you the software to provide training: it seems that some basic concepts of CFD are new to you. Good luck!

 December 3, 2013, 17:05 #5 Member   ouni firas Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 4 thank you greatly Mr Jeff Burnham

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