CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > FLOW-3D

How to improve the lateral propagation of scour hole (3D)

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By JBurnham

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   April 18, 2014, 00:38
Default How to improve the lateral propagation of scour hole (3D)
  #1
New Member
 
Sugonghak PC Bang
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 18
Rep Power: 12
sycst911 is on a distinguished road
Hi,

I have tried to performed the 3D lateral propagation of pipeline. I have obtain a small scour hole after 300s of run time. However, the desired result should be that the scour extend until the end of the pipe. This does not occur as the scour hole maintain at the same scour length regardless of changes to any parameter (drag coefficient, velocity, sediment size,etc).

My speculation is that the FLOW-3D code which is designed for equilibrium state has to be changed into non-equilibrium equation so that the scour hole will continue to propagate. But, I dont know how to change even though i have come across some paper regarding customization of FLOW-3D code.

Please advise if you have any idea. Thanks alot!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg scour.jpg (41.5 KB, 36 views)

Last edited by sycst911; April 20, 2014 at 23:04.
sycst911 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 28, 2014, 14:06
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Jeff Burnham
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 204
Rep Power: 17
JBurnham is on a distinguished road
The developers at Flow Science have re-written the scour module in the upcoming v11. Older versions are maybe not so good with multiple species armoring, so you should try to use only one species. Also make sure you set the Critical Shields Parameter yourself: the auto-equation is not good for all sizes. Also try changing the Critical Shields Parameter a lot and see if there are changes in the results: the pre-v11 scour models are very cell-size sensitive, so Shields Parameter must be a "knob" to control the scour, and not a real value. v11 will have better resolution of the bed/water interface, so Shields Parameter will be more physical in that version.
sycst911 likes this.
JBurnham is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 29, 2014, 22:07
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Sugonghak PC Bang
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 18
Rep Power: 12
sycst911 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by JBurnham View Post
The developers at Flow Science have re-written the scour module in the upcoming v11. Older versions are maybe not so good with multiple species armoring, so you should try to use only one species. Also make sure you set the Critical Shields Parameter yourself: the auto-equation is not good for all sizes. Also try changing the Critical Shields Parameter a lot and see if there are changes in the results: the pre-v11 scour models are very cell-size sensitive, so Shields Parameter must be a "knob" to control the scour, and not a real value. v11 will have better resolution of the bed/water interface, so Shields Parameter will be more physical in that version.
Thanks JBurnham for the reply.

Yes, but in my case, i have tried with only one species. Still, the result isn't favorable. The scour does not propagate as desired.

I have also tried to manipulate the shields parameter,drag coefficient, bedload coefficient, etc..Even changing the particle size and flow velocity, the scour does not propagate to the end of the pipeline.

I wonder if this is the limitation of FLOW3D software?
sycst911 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:06.