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Xilaf March 9, 2010 08:46

The selection of model to solve a bubble rise in Fluent
 
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Hi,

I simulate the air bubble rising in water column. I work with small (d=1mm) bubble. Can you tell me if the VOF model is acceptable in my case? I attached the the .jpg file with the situation at the beggining of the rising.

Thank you

CFDtoy March 9, 2010 11:28

bubble rise options - VOF n Eulerian Multi-Fluid approach
 
For single bubble simulations, kindly go ahead and use VOF type..it will provide you with surface deformation of the bubble and other local transients along the interface.

For cluster of bubbles rising ..use eulerian type and try increasing the bubble diameter if you want the bubbles to move up faster ;)

/CFDtoy

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Originally Posted by Xilaf (Post 249151)
Hi,

I simulate the air bubble rising in water column. I work with small (d=1mm) bubble. Can you tell me if the VOF model is acceptable in my case? I attached the the .jpg file with the situation at the beggining of the rising.

Thank you


Xilaf March 9, 2010 11:57

I need simulate the rise velocity of small bubbles (0.5-2 mm).

These are the results from VOF:
A small bubble (d = 1 mm) rises in the simulation cca 30 mm/s. It is too slow. It should rise 200 mm/s, how can I see from literature (R.Clift at al,1978) and from experiment with camera.
A bubble d = 2 mm rises cca 200 mm/s. It should rise 300 mm/s.

In the VOF I can't set the drag coeficient. Is it possible to set it in another model?
You say Eulerian. And what about Mixture model?

I haven't worked with these models yet.

Thank you

CFDtoy March 10, 2010 11:29

lifting effects
 
I understand your concern. The problem with lift of bubbles in, atleast vof case, is due to the density difference. Make sure you input the density values properly. Also, try and run different density values to see if the bubble rises faster.

It is true that you cannot set drag coefficient for VOF..the flow is homogeneous - ie..the liquid and gas share the same velocity field.

In the eulerian - two velocity fields for each phase applicable - using drag coefficient (or bubble diameter) effectively you can increase / decrease the bubble rise velocity. problem with this is that ..the interface of liquid-gas interface may be little smeared.

Now, i suggest the following, increase the grid density (if it is 2D then great..) twice and run eulerian multi-fluid approach - play with the drag and make sure you get the rate of bubble rise as you want.

btw, i did want to make sure you switched on gravity right?? Check how much flow you have in the system...is there a lot of flow (is it thermal driven flow ?? - if so try increasing the boussinessq coefficient - to enhance flow)..even with VOF this should work well if there is sufficient flow.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

CFDtoy

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Originally Posted by Xilaf (Post 249193)
I need simulate the rise velocity of small bubbles (0.5-2 mm).

These are the results from VOF:
A small bubble (d = 1 mm) rises in the simulation cca 30 mm/s. It is too slow. It should rise 200 mm/s, how can I see from literature (R.Clift at al,1978) and from experiment with camera.
A bubble d = 2 mm rises cca 200 mm/s. It should rise 300 mm/s.

In the VOF I can't set the drag coeficient. Is it possible to set it in another model?
You say Eulerian. And what about Mixture model?

I haven't worked with these models yet.

Thank you


jomin1986 June 19, 2013 04:27

can you teach me how to obtain the velocity of the bubble in FLUENT software?
 
can you teach me how to obtain the velocity of the bubble in FLUENT software?

amasoudi November 21, 2013 17:56

"How to monitor velocity single bubble rising in vertical column? "
 
Hi,
Does anybody know how can I monitor rising velocity of a single bubble in a 2D column?

Zaktatir November 25, 2013 15:29

Look after the centroid of the isosurface equal to void*void and then track the velocity of the bubble.

amasoudi November 25, 2013 15:49

Hi
Thank you for your answer but unfortunately I did not understand what you mean :(

Zaktatir December 1, 2013 04:47

Look after the centroid of the isosurface equal to void*void and then track the velocity of the bubble.

gaurav4rt December 4, 2013 01:01

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Originally Posted by jomin1986 (Post 434780)
can you teach me how to obtain the velocity of the bubble in FLUENT software?

In the left panel in ansys workbench fluent there will be MONITOR column. Click it and turn on the x y and z velocity fields and the continuity field and after doing the calculation click on countour button and in that select velocity as the criteria and click compute.It will show you the maximum and minimum velocity. Then click display...


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