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newcomer March 24, 2011 04:04

boundary conditions in FLUENT VOF for open channel flow
 
Hi guys,

I have been working on the simulation of flow in a channel through a baffle using VOF FLUENT. I encountered a few problems and would appreciate it if you could please give me some suggestions:


Currently I am using two separate inlets for water and air. The BC for air is set as pressure inlet. I have tried 3 types of BC for water (pressure-inlet, mass flow, and velocity - as the velocity is known) but the simulation somehow gave me a flow direction that looks like the water flows from outlet back to the inlet. The outlet is set as 1 outlet (for both water and air) and operated as pressure outlet. The top surface of air is also set as pressure outlet.

I am wondering if there is some problems with my current setting ?

Your suggestions are very much appreciated.

Gillian

momech March 24, 2011 04:36

hi.
you should not separate the inlet or outlet for water and air.it's better to use OPEN CHANNEL FLOW by switch it's toggle on and set the inlet and outlet as PRESSURE INLET/OUTLET one and entered your data.also it's better too use ''explicit'' method {define>models>multiphase.....}
good lock.

newcomer March 26, 2011 08:03

hi momech,

Thanks a lot for the suggestion!

newcomer April 5, 2011 00:58

Hi,

I tried the simulation with one inlet for the two phase but could not get the results right. The solution still did not converge and another serious issue is the results gave me reverse flow at the inlet.

My boundary conditions are:
1. inlet: pressure inlet, with specifying the flow depth at the inlet
2. outlet: pressure outlet, with flow depth specified (which is lower than in the inlet, due to pressure drop across the baffle)
3. upperbound : I have tried either pressure outlet and symmetry.

Would appreciate it very much if anyone please give me some suggestions on how to solve the problem of reverse flow at the inlet during the simulation.

Indeed, I tried to use velocity inlet as BC for inlet. However, I am a bit confused of how to come up with the volume fraction of water and air respectively (in my physical model, the flow is at 0.04 m/s). Besides, it seemed that with velocity inlet, I could not initialize using open channel initialization. Can anyone give me some suggestions on how should i set velocity inlet BC for open channel ?

Thanks a lot!

Gillian

momech April 5, 2011 08:08

Hi newcomer
I did the 3D open channel case with cutwater and get acceptable results, it seems that you didn't patch your desired area/volume with water and its velocity after initialize.

best regards.

mkhodier April 16, 2013 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by newcomer (Post 300842)
Hi guys,

I have been working on the simulation of flow in a channel through a baffle using VOF FLUENT. I encountered a few problems and would appreciate it if you could please give me some suggestions:


Currently I am using two separate inlets for water and air. The BC for air is set as pressure inlet. I have tried 3 types of BC for water (pressure-inlet, mass flow, and velocity - as the velocity is known) but the simulation somehow gave me a flow direction that looks like the water flows from outlet back to the inlet. The outlet is set as 1 outlet (for both water and air) and operated as pressure outlet. The top surface of air is also set as pressure outlet.

I am wondering if there is some problems with my current setting ?

Your suggestions are very much appreciated.

Gillian

Hi guys;
anyone can help me with setting the boundary conditions in the open channel flow? Thanks

mkhodier April 16, 2013 18:18

did u figure out the problem, if u did, could u help me. Thank you.

flow_CH June 2, 2013 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by newcomer (Post 302229)
Hi,

I tried the simulation with one inlet for the two phase but could not get the results right. The solution still did not converge and another serious issue is the results gave me reverse flow at the inlet.

My boundary conditions are:
1. inlet: pressure inlet, with specifying the flow depth at the inlet
2. outlet: pressure outlet, with flow depth specified (which is lower than in the inlet, due to pressure drop across the baffle)
3. upperbound : I have tried either pressure outlet and symmetry.

Would appreciate it very much if anyone please give me some suggestions on how to solve the problem of reverse flow at the inlet during the simulation.

Indeed, I tried to use velocity inlet as BC for inlet. However, I am a bit confused of how to come up with the volume fraction of water and air respectively (in my physical model, the flow is at 0.04 m/s). Besides, it seemed that with velocity inlet, I could not initialize using open channel initialization. Can anyone give me some suggestions on how should i set velocity inlet BC for open channel ?

Thanks a lot!

Gillian

I have exactly this problem . :(
I am using "Open channel flow" option in inlet and outlet boundaries. It is look like water goes up in pressure inlet boundary.:confused::confused:
Where is the origin of the free surface and bottom. Is it in bottom of any boundary or origin of coordinates?
help me please.

Sam Engineer June 3, 2013 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkhodier (Post 421058)
Hi guys;
anyone can help me with setting the boundary conditions in the open channel flow? Thanks

Hi
please read "Heave and Pitch Simulation of Ship hull moving through head sea waves" tutorial

mkhodier June 6, 2013 14:23

Thank you for replying. Could you please send me the tutorial, I can't find it. Thank you for your help.

oj.bulmer June 10, 2013 11:19

Can you post you email address? I can sent it across to you.

OJ

mkhodier June 10, 2013 13:18

mkhdcpu1@yahoo.com Thank you for your help

flow_CH June 10, 2013 13:53

saeed.azsh88@gmail.com thank you

Bhargav93 July 7, 2013 04:33

ybhargav93@gmail.com thank u

blek July 17, 2013 02:51

tomo.umor@gmail.com thanks for help

OttawaCFD July 22, 2013 16:37

servicesamigo@gmail.com If it's still out there, thanks!

Kesselteufel July 29, 2013 04:38

I am also searching for the tutorial, if someone would send it to:

matthias.hoefler@rwth-aachen.de

OttawaCFD July 29, 2013 11:58

I have not received it yet either, I guess it no longer is out there

es99 August 10, 2013 03:46

Hi,
Thank you
mostafashamsi.es99@yahoo.com

JAY ADHVARYU August 25, 2013 09:05

I have some problem with my boundary condition that how i utilize the neumann condition(∂φ/∂x = 0) at outlet. Can i select pressure outlet at outlet?
my inlet condition is :
flat velocity profile =40m/s
Re=1.916*10^5
turbulent intensity=4.5%
And Inlet height of duct=5mm


I select velocity inlet at inlet because my flow is incompresible.
And axis boundary condition applied along the centerline.
and no slip condition at wall.

pls help me.

FJSJ December 3, 2014 04:10

Hi all,

I found this video and I think it could help to get a better understanding of how to make VOF setup :)

Guida Setting VOF Fluent

javidcfd December 8, 2014 16:00

please help me: open channel modeling problem
 
Hi
Dear friends.
I'm trying model a simple rectangular channel steady-state flow on Fluent by VOF: open channel condition.
Something cause a problem and affect the results.
the geometry of my channel is 30x30cm by 0.002 slope which the channel length is 10 m ; and the flow depth is 10cm.
According to the
http://0up.ir/up10/guest/3.png
and
http://0up.ir/up10/guest/out.png
boundary conditions considered as pressure- inlet &outlet and the top of my channel considered as pressure inlet according to the Fluent Help!
I've tried many B.C. to all the boundaries. but the velocity of air at the inlet considered about 90m/s!!!!! which it increases along the channel to end and reaches to 690m/s!!!!!!!!!!!
how can it possible???? and i cant fix it
also, density reports shows the water (Secondary phase) is under the air (First phase), which it is true.
but the main problem is the air velocity in Domain. Pics.>>>>>
http://0up.ir/up10/guest/1.png
http://0up.ir/up10/guest/2.png
http://0up.ir/up10/guest/t1.png
Please help me to solve this problem.

FJSJ December 11, 2014 04:08

Hi Javidcfd,

I would use pressure-inlet at inlet, pressure-outlet at outlet, wall for the floor and symmetry for the rest of surfaces.

Taking a look at your mesh, I would try to refine it at the free surface region as well. Have you activated gravity option? Where is your reference pressure location? Have you marked and patched your region?

lyl March 1, 2015 08:35

hi javidcfd
i have a model close to your one, but mine is flat (without bed inclination)
but i have some problems with it, how can i contact with you .. i really need your help

sazeda April 10, 2015 01:07

Fluent- multiphase help
 
I'm searching for "Heave and Pitch Simulation of Ship hull moving through head sea waves" tutorial. Please anyone send me the zip file, my mail id is sbsazeda@gmail.com
Thanks....

diegojolin May 6, 2015 05:56

Tutorial
 
Can anyone share the tutorial with me please?

g_muizer@yahoo.es

undziabundzia January 11, 2016 20:02

Me too please very much.

killerudy@gmail.com

shrmnpook January 22, 2016 00:26

Hi, can anyone share the "Heave and Pitch Simulation of Ship hull moving through head sea waves" tutorial to me please. Thank you!

sharmainepook@gmail.com

sebastianbn October 11, 2016 11:35

Tutorial
 
https://www.researchgate.net/file.PostFileLoader.html?id=573faca596b7e4916d1d40 25&assetKey=AS%3A363978971729920%401463790757632

julio December 21, 2016 12:49

can I use periodic flow for simulate open channel flow with Fluent by using VOF model?

masoud.ravan February 25, 2017 03:39

Hi
I had the same problem (high velocity flow from outlet to domain!!!!), It is because of reference of pressure which you have to determine in "operation condition" menu. Don't forget to check specified density
Good Lock everyone.

l.whelan11 March 5, 2017 13:15

Hey if anyone is still having continuity convergence issues, I think I may have a solution. I posted a similar question a few weeks ago and updated it with the answer:

https://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/fl...tml#post639515

Good luck!

Meesm1 May 4, 2020 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Engineer (Post 431566)
Hi
please read "Heave and Pitch Simulation of Ship hull moving through head sea waves" tutorial

Please send me this tutorial. I am unable to find it.
tamarmeesam@gmail.com


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