one reference values area. how is it possible?
Hi all,
When I set the AREA field in REFERENCE VALUES in ANSYS FLUENT, how does FLUENT use this? The guide says that it is helping with calculating non dimensional coefficients. However, different coefficients requires different areas… Drag coefficient area is calculated by the frontal area. Lift coefficient area is calculated by the span*chord area. So, is Fluent simply takes the area that the user defines at the REFERENCE VALUES section??? Can someone explain that? thanks 
i would know it too, any ideas?? :)

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One way you could handle the different areas needed for Cd and Cl is to use the appropriate area for Cd, calculate it then change to the appropriate area for Cl and calculate it. 
seriously we have to compute 1 times for cd then change reference area and compute cl??? did i understood correctly?
i have to compute polar for canard configuration (only half wing + horizontal tail) what is my reference area and reference lenght which chord and which area (main wing, tail or main wing + tail?) , i think there is need to put ref area and ref length for both (wing and horizontal tail) but there i can put only one ref area and ref length 
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As for which reference values to use for your case, I'm not sure. I don't have too much experience with the nondimensional aerospace constants. :D 
today i read several tutorials and i think that chord*span area should be used to compute cl and cd (one ref area to both of them), in 2d causes too (ref area = chord*1). anyway thanks for your interest my problem ;)

Sure, no problem. I had to use the Reference Values to compute some Nusselt numbers so that's where I've had some experience with them.

Reference area is just a reference area nothing special to worry about. You can use any area of your geometry as the reference area provided you mention it with your results. If Reference area is not provided with the results then by default its Platform area of the wing i.e chord*span and Reference length is the chord length of your wing or aerofoil. These Refernce values remain same for both Cd and Cl, this convention is fallowed in Aerodynamics. Its useless to run extra simulations for Cd based on some other Refernence area instead you can do other important things :D . These are the rules generally fallowed in aerodynamics but if at all you have to use some other Reference area for drag then in this case also there is no need to run extra simulations instead you can do the fallowing.
1. Calculate Cl and Cd based on the same Reference area say for example Ref1 2. Choose reference area on the basis of which you want to calculate Cd say for example Ref2 3. Then Cd)ref2=Cd)ref1*(Ref1/Ref2) and now you are done 
thx cfd seeker for your help, your words seems to be known ,the same multiplications of drag we have to do in analytical calculations of drag :)
the same is with calculating moment coefficient cm? but i mean when i calculated it arround axis Y and xcoordinate is x=1 , but i wat to recalculated it to point x=2? 
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ok thanks :) i have only one more question, can you tell me if value Y+ <1 is good for sst transitional model?? everywhere people write that Y+ should have a value of 1.

and one more :) how can i set value of
1.length scale (velocity inlet) 2.turbulent length scale (pressure outlet) and 3.length scale (in pseudo transient Run Calculation). is1=3? 
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hi I am very grateful for your help, i use transition sst (4eqn) model :) . i can't find it out, sometimes people say that length scale should be 0,25c , sometimes 0.0175c, and in user guide that it should be length of airfoil (chord i think)...

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i have to symulate flow arround half model of several canard configuration (half wing+half h.tail) with smooth wing and after that with vortex generators on main wing.
i have Y+=0.6 on wing and Y+=0.4 on h.tail i hope it is enough 
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One more question....how do you know that the flow is transitional over wing and horizontal tail?what's the Reynold No? 
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Mateusz if you have time then and enough computational resources then I willl like/suggest you to use different values for "Turbulent Length Scale" and we will try to conclude to what extent it affects the value of drag and lift. I have read some where in a paper that the Turbulence parameters don't affect the lift and drag values but in my experience with kklw transition model "Turbulence Length Scale" was largely affecting lift and drag. I want to counter check it for another case but due to shortage of time and computational resources I couldn't able to do it yet. 
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