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Magicano May 21, 2012 06:19

Confluence and mixing of two rivers
 
Hello,

  • I want to study the mixing of two rivers which have different velocities and densities.

  • I made a 3D mesh with IcemCFD : rectangular T junction between two channels. I assume that flows are turbulent, and I guess that gravity has to be enabled to view the density effects

Does anyone know how could I parameter Fluent, which model I could use, if I have to use two-phases model ?
Is free-surface useful to view the mixing phenomenon ?

I thank you all for your help ! :)

johnp May 22, 2012 16:10

Hi, I'm not sure I can completely answer your questions. But here's a start:

1. flow will almost certainly be turbulent. The only laminar open channel flow that comes to mind is a thin sheet flow.

2. If you know the location of the free-surface, you can include it as a symmetry boundary. This is the computationally least expensive option. However, this may limit your ability to predict some 3D flow structures, e.g. secondary currents.

3. If you do not know the free-surface location and want to use a symmetry boundary condition, you can model your reach with a 1D hydrodynamic model, e.g. HEC-RAS. Keep in mind that a 1D code will give a constant water surface elevation at each cross-section, so you cannot reproduce super elevation (if your channel is curved).

4. The VOF multiphase model can be used to determine the free-surface location. This is computationally much more expensive than the fixed-lid option.

On a side note, have you looked at the papers by S. Lane and colleagues on CFD modeling of confluences? These may be useful. Good luck and it's nice to see someone else looking at river flows with FLUENT,

john

Magicano May 22, 2012 19:47

Hi,

thanks for answering,
indeed I didn't read any of their papers, I will for sure, thank you.

The computational cost won't be a problem. The fact is that the purpose of my study is to describe the confluence phenomenon, as realistic as it is, and identify its main phenomena. I use as an experimental validation the confluence between the Rio Negro and the Amazon, a very visual example because of the obvious difference of colour between the two rivers. (perfectly visible on google earth !)

So I try to find on simulations the same order of length needed by the river to be fully mixed. I assume that density difference (heavier river will fall down the lighter one) is as important as the shear or the molecular diffusion (which is insignificant) in the process of mixing, that is why I think that we need to give a 3D-description.

When you talk about VOF, I guess that for you, phase 1 is the air and phase 2 is water, but is it possible, in order to focus on mixing phenomenon, to use VOF model with water 1 at density rho1 as phase 1, and water 2, coming from channel 2 at density rho2 as phase 2 ? and then calculate the volume of fluid of phase 1 in the mixed channel as an indicator of mixing ?

In this case, symmetry condition would be used for the free surface, unless I try a 3 phases model...

Anyway, because I just want to globally identify the mixing process and the part taken by velocity difference and density difference, I doubt that a precise description of the free surface level would be useful, whereas secondary currents seem to be. What do you think about it ?

johnp May 23, 2012 10:50

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Originally Posted by Magicano (Post 362569)
When you talk about VOF, I guess that for you, phase 1 is the air and phase 2 is water, but is it possible, in order to focus on mixing phenomenon, to use VOF model with water 1 at density rho1 as phase 1, and water 2, coming from channel 2 at density rho2 as phase 2 ? and then calculate the volume of fluid of phase 1 in the mixed channel as an indicator of mixing ?

Yes, typically with VOF modeling of open channel flows, one phase is liquid and the other is gas. You are looking at the mixing of two liquids, though. Why not just specify two fluids (liquids) with different density and viscosity?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicano (Post 362569)
Anyway, because I just want to globally identify the mixing process and the part taken by velocity difference and density difference, I doubt that a precise description of the free surface level would be useful, whereas secondary currents seem to be. What do you think about it ?

if this is the case, I would stay away from the VOF. This sounds like an interesting problem. The papers I referred to previously deal with confluences in gravel streams. Quite a difference in scale!

stephanc June 29, 2012 04:18

Hello,
I came upon this thread as I am also looking to model river flow in confluences with use of FLuent. My focus also lies on the specific flow fields in the confluence.
Therefore it would be great to exchange some experience and knowledge.
Where you seem to have density currents as a special condition , i will try to look into the effects of vegetation on the stream patterns.

I am new to fluent and cfd modelling so i expect this to be a challenging first step.
Any advice, link or paper would be of great use!
Thanks in advance!

pedroxramos August 5, 2014 06:34

Hello.

Do you know some papers about this?


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