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Old   January 19, 2013, 02:59
Default Intialization v/s Patch Region for combustion problem
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I am using diesel for gas turbine combustion and therefore it requires a high temperature for the mixture to ignite.

In my experimental setup, I am using a spark ignition source to ignite a local flame and then the main fuel supply is turned on which then catches the local flame and a swirl stabilized flame is achieved.

Now, for my numerical simulation I implemented two methods.

1) While initializing, I selected 'all zones', and under that I set the temperature to 2500K. The mixture did ignite after 80 iterations.

2) During my second simulation, I gave a patch of 2500K under entire zone. The mixutre ignited here as well.

My question is which approach is numerically correct. Am I making a mistake here??

Whats the difference between Initialization and Patching a zone with high temperature??

For simulation, air inlet and fuel are both at 300K (same in experiment)

Any help with be appreciated. Thanks.
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Old   January 19, 2013, 05:20
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Both are correct. In steady simulations it is not important how to ignite.
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Old   January 19, 2013, 09:22
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Both are correct. In steady simulations it is not important how to ignite.
Can you please brief me on this so as to why it is not important?

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Old   January 19, 2013, 09:26
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Because the only important thing is your last result, the steady result. It is not important what happens before being steady. It is steady when converged.
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Old   February 28, 2013, 06:46
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Dear msaed;

I am simulating a steady flame of lean methane/air mixture in a swirl stabilized dump combustor. Because of similarity, i took only quarter section of combustor with periodic boundary condition in the azimuthal direction. my equivalence ratio is 0.65. the problem is that when i used finite rate/eddy dissipation model i have no ignition despite i tried both patching and initialization. i tried eddy dissipation model alone and i have divergence error in AMD solver and temperature exceeds 5000. i tried patching the entire domain with 2500 k and i have the same errors. i tried patching with products in the entire domain and i got same errors. i tried without patching at all and i got same errors!!!

of course this all were done either with initializing the solution or starting with steady cold flow solution.

kindly advice what to do, shall i check the grid or what, knowing that i use pressure based solver, second order schemes and courant number of 1.
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