[flow_CH]

''Hello
I am modeling an open channel flow with two inlet for air and water (velocity inlet). Without using "Open channel flow"
In middle of channel i have two pressure inlet for entraining air into the flow.
In steady state, i do not have problem but in unsteady state, i ran the solver and everytime the flow arrive to middle of channel, fluent write: "solution is converged" but it is keeping the solve and does not stop.
what is that problem?
I should say the residuals are arriving to residual criteria and they are 0.001 for all
please see attached image
Thanks

[-mAx-]

max it / time step = 20
dt = 0.01 s
number time steps = 300

So from my side, I understand that you never reached convergence before this time step (t=1.2s) and solver switched to next time step each time after 20 iterations. But residuals continued to fall until all your convergence criteria were satisfied (which is now the case at t=1.2s).
So you get convergence, but you don't reach the max number of time steps, and the solver will continue to iterate untill solver time will be 300 * 0.01 = 3s.

But as you already get converged solution at t=1.2s, now solver will need less than 20 iterations per time step, because you will get faster convergence.

[flow_CH]

Thanks for your quick reply.
I have the message "solution is converged' before 1.2 s? i should let it to continue? Because the flow is not arrive to outlet.
I am using vof implicit. Can you tell me how can i calculate the time step size and number of time step and max iterate in vof implicit? since the courant number is unactivate in vof implicit ? I do not know what are they? There is no guide in fluent manual for implicit.

[-mAx-]

Originally Posted by flow_CH

I have the message "solution is converged' before 1.2 s?

I don't think

Originally Posted by flow_CH

Can you tell me how can i calculate the time step size and number of time step and max iterate? I do not know what are they? I am using vof implicit.
i should let it to continue? Because the flow is not arrive to outlet.

check CFL : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courant...Lewy_condition

for dt you could take 0.5*min_cell_length/max_velocity_expected

max it = 20 is ok. As I said, once you get converged solution for one time step, then it will converge within 5 or 10 iterations

If number of time step is reached, but the flow hasn't arrived to outlet, then increase numer of time step...

[flow_CH]

What is difference between the time in fluent model and time in laboratory model?
Suppose i have a 2 meters long channel that velocity into the channel is 4 m/s, then the flow cross from channel in 0.5 second. should i enter for example 0.001 for time step size and number of time step: 0.5/0.001=500 ?
Is that right? If yes, what about max iteration? If no please explain more? I do not have any experience in unsteady modeling.

[-mAx-]

yes it is, but it is not so important, since you can continue iterating when you reached given number time steps. (start from latest time step)
Most important is dt (time step size)

[flow_CH]

Is there any problem if the flow encounter with up boundary in open channel? Because it is look like every things are fix and solution not converge after more iterations.

[-mAx-]

Originally Posted by flow_CH

Is there any problem if the flow encounter with up boundary in open channel?

I don't really understand.
Maybe you can post pictures of your model.

[shovaliye2]

Originally Posted by -mAx-

I don't think


check CFL : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courant...Lewy_condition

for dt you could take 0.5*min_cell_length/max_velocity_expected

max it = 20 is ok. As I said, once you get converged solution for one time step, then it will converge within 5 or 10 iterations

If number of time step is reached, but the flow hasn't arrived to outlet, then increase numer of time step...

hi. I have 3 questions.

what is max velocity expected? is this the velocity of flow?

in wikipedia link there is a formula as follows:

how can i obtain deltaX and deltaY in this formula?

and what is the different between max iteration/time step=20 and max iteration/time step=50?

[vinerm]

Maximum expected velocity is the maximum velocity of the flow at any location in the domain. and are dimensions of the cells in respective directions.

Maximum iterations per time-step is the number of maximum iterations Fluent will iterate for within one time-step. If convergence is achieved before that, Fluent moves on to next time-step, else, it iterates until maximum is reached and then moves on to next time-step. 30-40 should be the limit for maximum iterations per time-step. If the solution does not converge within 30-40 iterations, then reduce the time-step.