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Old   May 7, 2014, 16:49
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Hi,

I'm trying to solve a square cavity (1x1m) with natural convection heat transfer. Both top and bottom are insulated, left surface is T=330K and right surface at T=300K. The Boussinesq approximation is use for density.

Thermophysical properties:
rho=1.127
Cp=1007
mu=1.9114e-5
k=0.0271
Beta=0.006092
gravity= -9.81

I already tried to start the simulation with default solution methods and after a few iterations chance momentum and velocity values in order to achieve convergence of the result, but it doesn't worked.

Any other helpful suggestion?
Thanks in advanced
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Hello!
Please share your case file to be checked.

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Hi Bruno,
I suggest setting up a transient simulation (best way for natural convection in closed domain). Otherwise you have to control under relaxation factors.

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I suggest setting up a transient simulation (best way for natural convection in closed domain). Otherwise you have to control under relaxation factors.

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Hello Bianco

Could you expand your thought about why you need to do transient calculation for convective internal flow? It is because of iterations graph going up?

I am doing calculation also with natural convection in closed domain and would like to know more
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Hi zombiaska,
according to ANSYS Guidelines (and my experience with air flow in rooms) it's difficult to reach convergence, for continuity equation specially: this is due to a problem of mass balance.
ANSYS suggests 2 ways to solve this problem:

1) Set up a transient simulation: the domain starts with a certain mass (calculated from initial conditions, of course) and mantains this value during the entire simulation.

2) Boussinesq approximation: it helps the convergence by using a constant density in some equations.

Furthermore I suggest using RNG-k-epsilon as turbulence model in case of heat transfer in rooms. Anyway it's very difficult to find an ideal model for this kind of case: it takes a lot of time and effort!

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Hi Bruno
your problem my be is turbulent.check rayleigh number.
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For natural convection use body force weighted for the pressure and power law scheme for the momentum and the energy equations.
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try to set a initial velocity for the domain in the "Solution initialization", try this to be close to the average velocity you expect or less
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Hi bruno,
Reduce the relaxation factors of momentum to 0.5 and reduce energy to 0.95 and check your solution..if its not converged, go till 0.1 for momentum and 0.9 for energy..
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Hi,

I'm trying to solve a square cavity (1x1m) with natural convection heat transfer. Both top and bottom are insulated, left surface is T=330K and right surface at T=300K. The Boussinesq approximation is use for density.

Thermophysical properties:
rho=1.127
Cp=1007
mu=1.9114e-5
k=0.0271
Beta=0.006092
gravity= -9.81

I already tried to start the simulation with default solution methods and after a few iterations chance momentum and velocity values in order to achieve convergence of the result, but it doesn't worked.

Any other helpful suggestion?
Thanks in advanced
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For natural convection use body force weighted for the pressure and power law scheme for the momentum and the energy equations.
This helped get my simulation working. Thanks!
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