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Old   December 5, 2000, 11:20
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Tschumperle D.
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Hello CFD guys !

I need to define the hardware setup necessary for some problem I am solving now, but at the moment I have not enough memory (RAM) on my computer. I would like to know if someone has experience with big case (> 400 000 cells) calculations using DO radiation model (+ turbulence + multiple species). If you have something like that I would like to hear the hardware you use (memory and CPU) and the time necessary to complete simulations. Thanks for your answers.
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Old   December 7, 2000, 10:50
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Hi, for 400.000 cells, turbulence (2Eq.), Energy and 3 species you should need about 400 to 440 Mbyte RAM. For the radiation I estimate (!) additional 40 MB.
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Old   December 8, 2000, 03:37
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Thanks for your answer Volker.

But I must say that I do not agree with your estimation of aditional memory for radiation. From my experience after some testing, memory needed for the use of radiation modeling + species ranges from +40% to +70% depending on the mesh size. Had someone else experiences with such cases and confirm my estimation???
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Old   December 8, 2000, 07:03
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Hello Tschumperle,

meanwhile I had a look on an old case file with k-eps, energy, 1-species a) with and b) without DO-Radiation:

The case had 896677 cells.

The RAM usage with Fluent 5.4.8 was for

a) 852548 MB

b) 795568 MB

Hence I think that an estimation of about 10% from the number of cells = additionnal RAM for the DO -Modell is ok. As far as I know the DO gives one more governing equation and 10 % for 1 eq. is typical for what I observed in the past.

But maybe you changed the std. parameters of the model? Isn't there a switch wich controls the facette resolution?
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Old   December 8, 2000, 12:04
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I checked the Fluent 5 manual and my understanding is that for ntheta x nphi discretization per octant, there are 8*ntheta*nphi additional scalar equations being solved, and the half in 2D. And that is of course in the case of a grey model (no bands). You can control this octant discretisation and it is advised to choose it 3x3 in the presence of transparent bodies. So I hope that 10% for an additional equation is not a general rule, because you see that the memory jump would be a whooping 240% for a typical case.
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Old   December 11, 2000, 03:06
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1. a correction to my last message: The RAM requirement was in kbyte

a) 852.548 MB or 852548 kbyte

b) 795.568 MB or 795568 kbyte

2.After also having had a look to the manual I must admit that my memories of the DO model were rather simplified. I kept in mind only, that the DO model instead of ray racing considers a governing equation for radiation.

Hence you are right, it is not only one equation but the number depends on the angle resolution for phi and theta. In my case I used the standard resolution 2X2 that means 32 additional equations for radiation had to be solved.

Due to my observation that I needed 6.35% (this is the exact difference of the RAM requirements I gave in my last message) of the number cells as additional RAM in kbyte, you should need 2.25 times more (14.3%) due to your finer resolution. That means for your case of 4E5 cells a requirement of 57 MB. Does this confirm your observation?
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Old   December 12, 2000, 07:07
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In fact, the typical memory need for a 2D model with turbulence standard k-eps model) is 1 Meg of Ram for 1000 cells. So for a test case: 1) 51 000 cells ~ 51 Meg of ram 2) 512 000 ~ 512 Meg If a DO radiation model and 2 additional species are added: 1) 88 Meg -> +72% 2) 719 Meg -> +40% We can assume that for a 800 000 cells problem, the additional Ram would be of the order of 30-35%
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