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Old   July 9, 2001, 13:34
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HI!!!! I'm working on sails, so my velocity is about 7 m/s. If I set Fluent with 'velocity inlet' all the boundary condition I find Static Pressure negative in the field.....I think it is a Fluent problem,because if I change one of the boundary condition in 'pressure outlet' I find a reasonable stetic pressure. Any ideas??
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Old   July 9, 2001, 13:54
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Perhaps you have confused absolute static pressure and gauge static pressure? Fluent computes and displays all pressures as relative pressure from an "operating pressure", which you can set. Negative gauge pressure just means that your pressure is below the operating pressure.
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Old   July 9, 2001, 15:32
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When I ask Fluent to display: 'Contours --> Pressure --> static pressure ' what does It plot?? Real static pressure or Gauge static pressure? I set every kind of pressure as 101325 Pa ( Operating, gauge ...). What's wrong??
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Old   July 9, 2001, 16:45
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It plots gauge pressure. The real static pressure is gauge pressure + operating pressure.
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Old   July 11, 2001, 02:37
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Thank you for the ideas, it's good for an half.I speak to Fluent tecnical support...it plots the real pressure but as a difference from the value of pressure in the point you define the operating pressure.So, the difference is not between pressure in the point and Operating pressure!!! is between pressure in the point and pressure in the point you choose to define the operating pressure.You can't know the value of pressure in the field !!!! Fluent uses difference of pressure when works with incompressible flow and is not able to give you back the absolute value of pressure. That's all!! Bye Barbara
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Old   July 11, 2001, 04:44
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(1). For incompressible flows, since the density is always constant, the solution is floating by a constant value. That is, the pressure level will not affect the velocity field. (2). You have to be careful, becuase this is not the case when the density is not constant, say low mach number case, where the pressure will affect the density directly. ( though the effect is small at low Mach number)
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Hi dear friends
I have this problem in my studies about cavitation.static pressure values are negative along the spillway .it is not correct.i don't know what the problem is...
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Hi,

I have the same problem. I'm trying to find the pressure drop in a high flow check valve. after the check I have negative pressure. I use incompressible flow.
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Old   June 7, 2013, 10:44
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It is fairly normal to have negative static pressure after the check valve, since the pressure energy gets converted into kinetic energy. After some distance pressure recovers and you will see increased pressure, but they still may remain negative. The negative value you see is the difference of actual pressure and operation pressure.

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But the absolute pressure should be limited to the lower limit. If the minimum pressure limit is 0, how can the absolute pressure can be negative.
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Typically, whenever static pressure refers to the gauge static pressure, ie above the operating/atmospheric pressure. Whenever one refers to absolute pressure, they mention it as absolute.

When gauge static pressure is negative, it means it is below operating pressure, but it is positive.

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Old   June 11, 2013, 13:52
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Thanks for the quick reply.

In my case, it's the absolute pressure that is negative. That why I have an interrogation. Is fluent consider absolute pressure as gage pressure?

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It is very strange. Are you sure it is absolute pressure?

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In my case also, absolute pressure is negative in whole the domain. In the range of -1e+9 which is not possible and with every iteration is goes up. Anyone know why this happens?
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I've got another question related with this topic. I've made a simulation of air flow in a vertical pipe which is 81 m high. I've defined the velocity inlet 4,464 m/s and pressure outlet 0 Pa. Fluent calculated correctly the dynamic pressure which is 12.2 Pa. But I've got e serious problem with the static pressure. According to the calculations the static pressure at the inlet is equal to 175 Pa whereas using Bernoulli's equations it should be equal at least 973.4 Pa (omitting head losses due to the friction etc.). I've made different approaches: different meshes (element number, mesh type etc.), constant density vs incompressible gas equation, 1st and 2nd order equations, different solver setting. The outcome is always the same. Where is my mistake?
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