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Old   October 7, 2003, 03:54
Default Can I catch the secondary flow using ke model?
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Old   October 7, 2003, 04:13
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rngke or rsm is better than ke model, but can ke catch the secondary flow?
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Old   November 3, 2003, 11:40
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Why no one answer my question?
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Old   November 26, 2003, 02:59
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Yes, but only pressure induced.

For shear-stress induced secondary flows (e.g. swirls in the corners of a rectangle croos-sectiuon) you have to use RSM.

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Old   November 26, 2003, 08:40
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thanks, but can you tell me more about the difference between second flows induced by pressure and shear-stress?and some references is welcome.thanks again.
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Old   November 26, 2003, 09:35
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with k-eps you can model secondary flows like swirls happen to exist behind backward facing step (cross-section increase). Such eddy water situations are caused by pressure differences.

The secondary flows which cannot be covered by k-eps, are those which happen to appear in non-circular ducts. Two eddies in every corner can be obeserved.

Literature: Every good book on fluid mechanics (or dynamics). (e.g. Bird, Stewar Lightfoot, Transportphenomena, there I found the citation of Schlichtigs "Grenzschichttheorie" or Boundary-Layer Theory with eddies in a triangular duct)
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