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 July 24, 2007, 01:02 Natural Convection problem in Fluent - urgent #1 NSV Guest   Posts: n/a Hi all, Thank you for your time. I have a canister filled with oil. Few solid components are immersed in that oil and they are dissipating heat(temperature is given to few surfaces and heat flux values to the rest). If I want to model the natural convection in oil using Fluent, what is the procedure or how should I go about it? This is my first project, so kindly help me please. Thanks. NSV

 July 24, 2007, 05:50 Re: Natural Convection problem in Fluent - urgent #2 Joe Guest   Posts: n/a tutorial 5

 July 24, 2007, 08:22 Re: Natural Convection problem in Fluent - urgent #3 Raj Guest   Posts: n/a Hi Joe, Thank you for your interest. In the tutorial he mentions the Rayleigh number and then says that the 'g' value is adjusted. But g is same everywhere. The surface temperature of one component is 343k and the other component is disspiating 400w/m2. I gave g value as -9.8m/s2. The continuity residuals are increasing rather than fall as it iterates!!! I am confused here. Please help me. thank you. regards Nsv

 July 24, 2007, 08:42 Re: Natural Convection problem in Fluent - urgent #4 AJ Guest   Posts: n/a Sometimes natural convection problems require special treatment to get convergence.... Try with g=1 m^2/sec and get a converged solution and then increase g to 9.81 m^2/sec to get the final convergence.... Sometimes convergence could be related to your mesh density etc.. You could also switch the relaxation parameters for pressure and continuity ( 0.3 and 0.7 to 0.7 and 0.3) Hope it works... AJ

 July 25, 2007, 00:04 Re: Natural Convection problem in Fluent - urgent #5 Nsv Guest   Posts: n/a I have changed the g value and the relaxation parameters and the continuity residuals are just going up and there is no change in the pattern. What also bothers me is even as the residuals are increasing, Fluent is not showing any error message. velocity and energy residuals have more or less remained constant, but the mass residuals keep increasing with each iteration. any ideas or thoughts? Thanx in advance.

 July 25, 2007, 16:07 Re: Natural Convection problem in Fluent - urgent #6 MW Guest   Posts: n/a I know people says this alot but.. what does your mesh look like? Have you got a picture? Also, are looking for steady state or a time dependent solution? From my recent own experience, natural convection problems can be quite tricky.

 April 23, 2014, 08:57 Natural convection #7 New Member   Meksi Olfa Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: France, Compiègne Posts: 4 Rep Power: 4 Hello, I'm working with Fluent for the first time. I began studying the example of the natural convection from a heated horizontal cylinder. But I have a problem with the convergence of the solution. It fluctuates even after 200.000 iterations and doesn't converge. The upper surface of the test cabin is defined as pressure inlet type boundary condition. The laterla and bottom surfaces of the cabin and the surface of the cylinder are defined as wall type bondary condition. Pressure-based solver is used and second upwind scheme is selected for the Momentum and energy equations. PRESTO! is used for pressure. SIMPLE is used for the pressure-velocity coupling method. I used Hybrid initialization. The problem is the same for tri and quad meshing. I have to note that I use decoupled methode SIMPLE. Can you please help me . Sincerly

 April 24, 2014, 07:19 #8 Member   Behrooz Jamshidi Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 83 Rep Power: 5 Hi Try pressure velocity coupling with SIMPLEC. Also some academic study about natural convection is needed to find out how some fluent tutorials converge natural convection problems. Best regards

 May 5, 2014, 13:35 #9 Member   Hooman Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 86 Rep Power: 6 Olfa, Could you fix it? I have a similar problem. Thanks

 May 6, 2014, 04:21 #10 New Member   Meksi Olfa Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: France, Compiègne Posts: 4 Rep Power: 4 Hello Enayath, i tried to fix it. The best solution now is to reduce the under-relaxation factor of momentum, it's like to force convergence. I used the the standard initialization with velocity (y=0.001). It's recommended in this link http://www.mne.psu.edu/cimbala/Learn...ent_benard.htm. But the problem that i don't understand how can I set the lenth, the depth and the area in the reference values. thank you

 May 6, 2014, 04:25 #11 New Member   Meksi Olfa Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: France, Compiègne Posts: 4 Rep Power: 4 I forget to tell you that I work with the compressible fluide not any more with Boussinesq approximation without specified density.

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