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Old   July 24, 2007, 10:13
Default Airfoil-values of cd/cl are too high-please help!
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matthias
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Hi, i try to recompute the polare of an airfoil in 2d (a laminar profile), that was testet in a windtunnel (Reynoldsnumber approximately 1400000). i tried it with different turbulence modells (spalart-allmaras,k-w standart,k-w sst/transition) but every time my values for cl and cd where too high (in the range of alpha 0-6 cl was correct, for higher angles it was about 1.1-1.2 times higher then at the experiment, cd was about 1.8-2 times higher for all angles of attack (e.g for 0 cd(exp.):0.006/cd(fluent):0.011). is there perhaps anybody who can help me to advance my values?

my boundary conditions are (SI-values)-> turb intensity:0.01, turb lengthskale:0.01, roughness:0.000005, velocity inlet, pressure outlet, incompressible flow, y+max:1.25, steady-state, the length of the control volume is about 100xchordline, the reference values for cl and cd are computed from the velocity inlet, about 195000 nodes at the grid, hybrid grid.

thanks in advance matthias
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Old   July 24, 2007, 10:20
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For higher angles of attack: http://www.fulton.asu.edu/~squires/p...ions/dles5.pdf
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Old   July 24, 2007, 15:39
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Refence values used for calculation of cl and cd are are report?refence values. check these are correct for your case otherwise caluclate the coefficients directly (eg using cff)
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Old   July 24, 2007, 16:37
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well joe thank you for the hint with DES. i will think about it. the problem is, that i have just a few days left to solving this problem and i think it will be very difficult to simulate the problem in 3D and to set the right boundary conditions. the other problem is that my pc has a limited capacity (memory,cpu). so i think it could be hard to do this with DES. do you think it is possible to get reasonable results with an RANS-modell (my angle of attack won't cross a value of 12)
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Old   July 24, 2007, 16:44
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hi red lemon, what do you mean by report reference values?
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Old   July 25, 2007, 14:56
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reference values are used to calculate the coefficients cd and cl. If not correctly set (modified from default) they they will be incorrectly reported so set them realistically (such as free speed)
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Old   July 26, 2007, 06:59
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hi red lemon i think the reference values are ok. for computing cl and cd fluent should need the free speed of the fluid and the reference length (chord line) or the reference area these values are correct. i don't know how fluent computes the forces (shear forces and pressure forces) but i think i have no possibility to change these values.
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