# negative static pressure at inlet

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 July 26, 2007, 07:25 negative static pressure at inlet #1 nino Guest   Posts: n/a hi, I've got a simple geometry: 2 pipes are connected on the same axis. the first one has ø32mm the second one has ø40mm. Massflow is about 1900L/min. (incompressible/ steady state / hydraulic oil) When my solution converged, I compute the drop pressure as the the total pressure difference between inlet (ø32) and outlet (ø40). drop pressure is ok with theoretical solution. BUT when I take a look at he static pressure distribution, the static pressure at the inlet is negative. (and positive at the outlet) I cannot understand this phenomenon (and I don t trust this solution). Anyone could me explain that?

 July 26, 2007, 08:06 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #2 Joe Guest   Posts: n/a There is nothing wrong, in principle, with a negative static pressure at a boundary. Your absolute pressure is probably still positive. If it isnt you may have cavitation.

 July 26, 2007, 11:01 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #3 bashu Guest   Posts: n/a If you don't like it that way you can change the pressure reference point in define --> Opertaing Conditions panel. But the solution is correct the way you have it too.

 July 26, 2007, 12:07 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #4 mAx Guest   Posts: n/a thanks for your replies. Unfortunately, the operating pressure condition doesn t have any influence on the solution

 July 26, 2007, 13:12 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #5 bashu Guest   Posts: n/a That's exactly what should happen if the density is constant (not a function of pressure at least) , right?

 July 27, 2007, 02:31 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #6 Razvan Guest   Posts: n/a I cannot believe how far from the subject we can go sometimes, trying to post a decent reply, but actually confusing the poor user who put the question even more. People, NINO asked a simple question, that has a simple answer too: the static pressure at inlet is negative because of three reasons: - first, all pressures are calculated as differences between the operating pressure and the absolute pressure; - second, the diameter variation between inlet and outlet is small, so the total pressure drop is small, maybe even less then 100Pa; - third, the inlet diameter is smaller then the outlet's, so the velocity of the fluid is higher at the inlet, consequently the static pressure (in the case of non-viscous flow, at least) is smaller. All these effects superimposed could easily generate this situation, especially if the total pressure drop is small. Am I wright NINO? All the best, Razvan

 July 27, 2007, 03:03 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #7 nino Guest   Posts: n/a hello, the drop pressure is small (about 1.7 bar by 1900L/min, which means a inlet velocity about 38.7m/s and of course a smaller outlet velocity) I just had problem for understanding the negative static pressure at inlet. The compression along the pipe (with elevation of diameter up to 40) is for me ok (on the understanding side) I was expecting a small static pressure at inlet, BUT positive. I have at the inlet (static pressure: -1.9 bar and dynamic pressure: +6.3 bar (ok with 0.5 * rho *U**2) At the outlet: (static: 0 bar and dynamic: +2.7 bar (also ok) so drop pressure is: (6.3-1.9) - 2.7 = 1.7bar But I think it's just a question of operating system. I shoudn't check the static, but the absolute pressure

 July 27, 2007, 08:22 Re: negative static pressure at inlet #8 bashu Guest   Posts: n/a Sorry for the not well thought through answer.

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