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Old   August 21, 2007, 13:13
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Hi, has anyone used a CARM reduced mechanism in Fluent? I would need some hints in how to couple it with the UDF subroutine DEFINE_VR_RATE. Thanks

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Old   August 21, 2007, 18:58
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Have you considered using the CHEMKIN functionality in Fluent? Sure, we have used our own custom reduced mechanisms. Just make sure you are consistent on units used in your UDF.
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Old   August 22, 2007, 03:46
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Many thanks for your answer. I would have some more questions if you don't mind.My problem is that I only have the reduced mechanism as a CKWYP routine. However, the routine is written in C++, which I think is ok for the Fluent to read, but I'm quite unfamiliar (more exactly beginner) with this procedure. Do I have to declare the reactions myself in the Fluent panel, or does Fluent read the reactions by itself from the CKWYP? More, do I have to couple the CKWYP with the DEFINE_VR_RATE function from Fluent in order to be able to hook up the UDF?

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Old   August 22, 2007, 13:19
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Ok, you are going to have a set of chemical reaction equations you want to model and also the associated kinetic data. This could come from experiments, literature values, or subsets of other data. Then, there are several ways to get this data into Fluent. As I understand it, importing it as CHEMKIN file is one way although I have not done it that way myself. Have you looked at the Fluent manual? Apparently, others do it this way.

A second way of entering the reaction data is to use the reaction input panel in Fluent. You enter the stoichiometry, coefficients, pre-exponential factors, temperature dependance, and activation energy. This can be tedious if you have lots of equations and unit conversions so it may be preferable to import the data directly (i.e. as a CHEMKIN file).

The third way is to write your own UDF like DEFINE_VR_RATE. The built in reaction rates are somewhat limited. Say, for example, if you want to use one reaction rate for one temperature range and another rate for a different temperature range, the basic version can't handle that. Or, if you want to change the stoichiometric coefficient as a function of the species concentration. For these cases, you could incorporate your own customized reaction schemes. (The kinetic data can still come from the reaction input panels in Fluent or put into the UDF directly).

Using UDFs is not simple. Even so the UDFs are written in C++ and your routine is also written in C++ that won't help, much. You still need to look at units, variable names, logic etc. You would probably want to budget several weeks or months to do something like this.

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Old   August 24, 2007, 07:48
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Many thans for your support.

Adrian

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Old   August 29, 2007, 16:42
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hi adrian

have you been able to couple the CARM to fluent using VR_RATE?

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Old   August 30, 2007, 03:31
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Well, not really, still using some skeletal mechanism. Have you done it? Thanks for your question

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Old   August 30, 2007, 15:16
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no..
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