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October 23, 2009, 05:23 
Natural horizontal convection

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Hello everyone. I'm trying to model a 2D case of natural convection in a rectangular box, where the bottom side is divided into two part, on the left side the heat flux is imposed while the right side is at a certain temperature. I use the boussinesq model and the fluid is liquidwater. I use the kepsilon model for turbulence, but this one doesn't ensure convergence. Can you help me?
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October 28, 2009, 09:41 
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hi,
First of all try to think if the problem is laminar or turbulent, that means try to calculate the Grashof Number of the flat plate and check if the value is in the turbulent or laminar range. If it is turbulent, I suggest that "RNG KE" is much more helpful than "standard KE", due to the possibility of mark the full buoyancy effect, that normally appears when you switch on the boussinesq model. hope it helps 

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Thank you for your answer. My problem is turbulent: this is one of the first thing that I have verified.
I'using a fine mesh in the boundary layer and a coarse one in the central zone of the box. My problem, now, is to understand what is the best way to consider turbulence in this case of natural convection. I'm using the "RNG kepsilon" ma results are not of physical interest. I think that the problem is in the setting of some variables. Can you help me about this problem? Thank you! 

October 30, 2009, 08:41 

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Run simulation for sometime to get an approximate value for turbulence parameters.
Initialize the parameters accordingly which will ensure convergence in my opinion. PLS Report about result if it works (for me it worked some time back) 

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hi
can I have some further information?? first of all are you simulating transient or steady state?? If it is a transient, is the time step size short enough?? have you check the report fluxes at the end of your simulation to see if the balance of mass and energy ar ok?? what is really going wrong in your simulation?? 

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It's a steadystate turbulent analysis. The balance of mass is ok because the the box is closed, while the balance of flux is not ok.
The residual for the continuity equation has a strange trend, because firstly it decreases, then it increases to a big value, although the mesh grid is very fine. This fact can't ensure the convergence of the problem. I think that this problem is due to the underrelaxation factors. At this moment, I'm trying to find the better factor in order to have a good convergence in the residuals and the balance of the fluxes. Can you suggest me a solution for this problem? Thank u at all! 

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Hi
I have had problem too with the steady state.... so I have simulated first an Unsteady state, this is also suggest by the manual, then I have used the steadystate as a benchmark. I have follow what is written in the manual about the under relax factor, for the discretization of the eqq. I have used both Presto! and BFW for the pressure, and all the as 2nd order. What you have to check is the energy equation, the buoyancy takes a long long time to develop in the steady state, probably because the terms of the velocity are much more stronger then term of the buoyancy, so u have to let the natural convection develop. But this is a personal idea, not a scientific suggest!! I think that the correct solution is the unsteady simulation, so try to see first the results of a transient simulation hope it helps 

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how can i set grshof number in Fluent ? what should I do to have a Gr+ 2.5 E+7 if I have ro =1 viscosity =1/Re velocity inlet =1 d=1 Re=5000 ??


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