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Old   July 19, 2010, 12:28
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In these days I learn how to analyse the flow around an airfoil, but the model was inviscid. after that, I try to model a quite 'complex' model; I put K-epsilon turbulence model (I Don't change anything); Velocity equal to 300 m/s (5º Angle of attack), I activate Energy Ecuation, in material I define air as an ideal gas.

But when I try to run the model; I obtain this message:

Error: Divergence detected in AMG Solver: Temperature

Please try to help me with that.

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Old   July 19, 2010, 15:03
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How many iterations does it run before diverging?
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Old   July 19, 2010, 23:58
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How many iterations does it run before diverging?
Mmm I don't remember exactly but it happens iteration number 30 or 50; in this interval, after that appears the message
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How good is the grid in the region where the solution is diverging? How are you initializing the solution? Have you tried reducing the courant number?
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How good is the grid in the region where the solution is diverging? How are you initializing the solution? Have you tried reducing the courant number?
Hello Chris

In the file forward I show my grid; I Inizializate my solution in the zone called Farfield1, is in the front of the airfoil.

In the pictures, you can see how I make the analysis process in Fluent.

Thanks for your answers!
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Hello Chris

In the file forward I show my grid; I Inizializate my solution in the zone called Farfield1, is in the front of the airfoil.

In the pictures, you can see how I make the analysis process in Fluent.

Thanks for your answers!
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It looks like you're grid has vary large changes in cell volume, which definitely cause some stability problems. You want to make the grid such that the cell volume doesn't change too much from one cell to the next.

Also, you might think about switching to either the density-based solver or the pressure-based coupled solver for compressible flow.

Regarding the initialization, using fmg initialization gives a much better initial flowfield than initializing with a constant value. This reduces the chance that your solution will go unstable due to initial transients.

edit: I just noticed that you might be using an older version, so ignore what I said about density based and pressure based solvers.
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It looks like you're grid has vary large changes in cell volume, which definitely cause some stability problems. You want to make the grid such that the cell volume doesn't change too much from one cell to the next.

Also, you might think about switching to either the density-based solver or the pressure-based coupled solver for compressible flow.

Regarding the initialization, using fmg initialization gives a much better initial flowfield than initializing with a constant value. This reduces the chance that your solution will go unstable due to initial transients.

edit: I just noticed that you might be using an older version, so ignore what I said about density based and pressure based solvers.
Hello Chris

Sorry to be late in ask you in the picture forward is the correction that I made, Is much better like this?

thanks for your help, was really helpfull for me.


I have another question, why, when you analyze airfoils specially, you have to build this kind of mesh (as in the picture); why is not possible to mesh with a rectangle or another geometry?

Thanks for your time again
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You can use other topologies to mesh the airfoil. See this link for a description of O and C grids. Also, you can use an O-H type topology, which I crudely sketched here.
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You can use other topologies to mesh the airfoil. See this link for a description of O and C grids. Also, you can use an O-H type topology, which I crudely sketched here.
Hello Chris

I can see your mesh styles alternatives, are interesting, I think you must have a better solution control in these ways.

I have another question, if I would like to model an unsteady flow event? (Transient event) such a Waterhammer? or maybe a wave propagation in a chanel, I heard that is possible to model in Ansys, but how I can enter the boundary conditions and also the equations to describe this transient event?
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