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Old   August 28, 2010, 15:56
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How do i define a region to be porous?

I was working with the tutorial part 8, 'modelling flow through a porous media'. The only thing i did not understand is whether the region has to be defined as being porous while it is modelled in Gambit, or do i just create a meshed volume and define it as porous when i import it to Fluent.

I can only proceed once i know how to create the porous media.

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Old   August 31, 2010, 17:15
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I built the region as fluid in gambit and then define it as porous in the boundary conditions!

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How do i define a region to be porous?

I was working with the tutorial part 8, 'modelling flow through a porous media'. The only thing i did not understand is whether the region has to be defined as being porous while it is modelled in Gambit, or do i just create a meshed volume and define it as porous when i import it to Fluent.

I can only proceed once i know how to create the porous media.

thanks for the help
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Old   August 31, 2010, 17:34
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when you say you defined it as porous boundary condition, do you mean using the porous jump as the boundary conditio?
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when you say you defined it as porous boundary condition, do you mean using the porous jump as the boundary conditio?

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If you want to model flow in a porous medium in fluent, you should specify the zone as fluid zone in gambit, and then in "cell zone conditions" dialog box, enable porous zone check box , and specify related parameters such as porosity.
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As i know the parameter in porous zone is inertial and viscous resistance.
How to define it?
Is there any formula or something?

Would you like give an example.

Thank you. Danke.
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Old   November 18, 2010, 16:30
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Old   November 22, 2010, 23:49
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My porous media is a cell zone

I did't use porous-jump, may be any formulation or something ?
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Old   November 23, 2010, 07:11
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Yes but for the porous zone (cells) has two parameters (viscous resistance and inertial resistance) that you have to specify. And you determine these two from the pressure drop vs velocity profile using the equations at the link.
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As i know the parameter in porous zone is inertial and viscous resistance.
How to define it?
Is there any formula or something?

Would you like give an example.

Thank you. Danke.
Hi Oky, did you get to find the parameters?

If not, here is the explanation.

The formula is
Dp/L= [(viscosity/alpha)*velocity]+ [C2*1/2*density*velocity^2]
(dp/l =viscousr resistance + inertial resistance)

and


plot dp/l vs velocity in excel. The pressure drop can be obtained from cfd.

The values for velocity can be arbitrarily chosen say for ex. 0 to 20 m/s (even more if you want more points)

Plot Dp/L vs velocity based on above formula and examine the curve how it looks like. If it is a straight line then use only dp/l=viscous resistance.
If it is a quadratic equation use (dp/l =viscousr resistance + inertial resistance). Find K and C2 with these curves.

Hope this helps .

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How to calculate the diameter particle [Dp] if i use Ergun or Blake-Kozeny equation to define inertial resisitance and porosity? [see ANSYS Fluent 6.3 User's Guide - 7.19.6]

Blake-Kozeny Equation:
P/L={150*mu*(1-e)^2}/{Dp^2*e^3}*V$

where:
P/L : Pressura drop
mu : viscosity
e : void fraction
Dp : Perticle diameter
V$ : Velocity unlimited

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How to calculate the diameter particle [Dp] if i use Ergun or Blake-Kozeny equation to define inertial resisitance and porosity? [see ANSYS Fluent 6.3 User's Guide - 7.19.6]

Blake-Kozeny Equation:
P/L={150*mu*(1-e)^2}/{Dp^2*e^3}*V$

where:
P/L : Pressura drop
mu : viscosity
e : void fraction
Dp : Perticle diameter
V$ : Velocity unlimited

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Hi This is the reply given by Mr. Jayaprakash in a previous thread discussion,

The Ergun equation assumes that the bed is filled with uniform sized and shaped particles. The sphericity parameter is used as a conversion factor for non-spherical particles (comparing the surface-volume ratio of those particles to an equivalent spherical particle).

Of course, for fully spherical particle, the sphericity = 1.

Sphericity = (6/Dp)/(Sp/Vp)

Dp = Diameter of the particle
Sp = Surface area of the particle
Vp = Volume of the particle

For 'not so crazy' shapes, like sand particles, you can use sphericity around 0.8 - 0.9.

Complete list of sphericity values can be found in "Perry's Chemical Engineers Handbook", or "Unit Operations of Chemical Engineering by McCage, Smith and Harriot" or similar books
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How to calculate the heat transfer in porous media [for conduction and convection heat transfer]?

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying simulation porous media in rectangular channel, but the result isn't suitable with any research.

So, would you help me. I wish someone can check my simulation and give some reports if there is something wrong.

Thank you for your help.
Please send your e-mail, than i will send you my works to to your email.
my e-mail: oky.andytya.net@gmail.com

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I use ANSYS Fluent 6.3 [CFD]
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Hi friends,
I'm simulating a tube with water flow.
The tube encounters boiling near the wall.
I intend to calculate 'void fraction versus enthalpy' along the channel.
Can you help me how to calculate void fraction?

I'm in an emergency condition.
Waiting for your comments!!!

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Hi,

I want ask, how to get the value of convection coefficien [h] from Fluent directly ?

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Old   March 18, 2012, 15:11
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Hi,

I am having problems with specifying the boundary condition of a bottom wall of a 3D rectangular channel as a "porous jump" . In GAMBIT I select Boundary type as "Porous Jump" however, when I import my mesh in FLUENT I receive an error stating that: "Cannot change porous to porous-jump because
there is only one adjacent cell thread". I am not sure what that means, can anyone please help me with this case. Any suggestion is appreciated.

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hi

had you been able to simulate your flow through porous??
if so please contact me..

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Hi,

I am having problems with specifying the boundary condition of a bottom wall of a 3D rectangular channel as a "porous jump" . In GAMBIT I select Boundary type as "Porous Jump" however, when I import my mesh in FLUENT I receive an error stating that: "Cannot change porous to porous-jump because
there is only one adjacent cell thread". I am not sure what that means, can anyone please help me with this case. Any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks,
Akim
Hi Akim,

I am modelling a tube through which mixture of air and water passes and there is an air permeable membrane around the internal wall of the tube which is permeable to air only. I should model this as VOF in Fluent.

First, I need to set this wall boundary as Porous Jump in Gambit. I did the following steps in Gambit and when importing the mesh into Fluent, I got the same Error Message as you got: "Cannot change porous to porous-jump because there is only one adjacent cell thread".

1) created a cylinder as volume
2) meshed it
3) set the boundaries as inflow, outflow, and porous jump (for the volume)
4) set the fluid zone
5) export the mesh to Fluent

I was wondering if you could get rid of this Error Messsage and how?

Or if any body else can help me model this case, it is much appriciated!

Thanks,
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Old   August 21, 2013, 16:17
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What is the most suitable software to simulat a porous media(some thing like flow past a fabric) and pressure drops?
CFX or Fluent?

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