Hi there,

I am using CFX to simulate the mixing of two gases (air and methane) inside a furnace using an isothermal model. The geometry of the furnace is quite simple (close to a rectangular box). There are two inlets: one central circular inlet for methane and an annular non swirling inlet for air.

Now, the CFX User Guide advices the use of an homogeneous model for the turbulence of non-dispersed cases (like my case!). This model assumes the solutions fields for each phase identical. When setting K and Epsilon I use the mean inlet velocity. Is it sensible to use those??

For the momentum I chose the multi-fluid model because they will have different velocity fields. Moreover I specified the mixture model to be used, which assumes both phases symmetrically and it is said to be appropriate for a calculation of non-dispersed two-phase flow.

The problem arises when running the solver, where neither converges nor diverges. Eventually it seems to converge but at a very slow pace. So far I've only runned it for a maximum of 1000 iterations. Should I expect an extremely slower convergence for my case???

And what about the mass residuals for my two phases? In the residual plot I can only get track of one mass phase residual. Why is that??

And what values to specify for the mixture model parameters (drag coefficient and inter-facial length scale)?

Does anyone understand anything of what I've been writing??? Have you worked in a similar problem?? If yes, please give me a hand! All comments are welcome!

Thank you

Sara

Hi, Sara.

>Does anyone understand anything of what I've been writing?

Khgm, I am not sure about me

>I am using CFX

Is CFX one of those commerical solvers used without understanding what they (the solvers) are doing ? In reading the rest please keep in mind that I have no idea what CFX is.

> mixing of two gases (air and methane) inside a furnace using an isothermal model.

>For the momentum I chose the multi-fluid model because they will have different velocity fields.

Well, no. Multi-fluid model assumes that it makes sense to think about two velocities at the same point in space. This is the case if there are, say, heavy dust particles moving through the air, and these particles are modeled as a fluid. Now, both particles and molecules may have a chaotic component of velocity (represented by diffusion and/or viscous terms in the equations) and mean component of velocity, for which those equations are written for. Naturally, particles can have one mean velocity and air can have another (consider rain drops as particles, for example). For gas mixture, allthough gases will diffuse through each other, this motion is of a chaotic nature, and is governed by a convection-diffusion equation for concentration: the mean velocities of mixed gas components are almost the same, and the difference certainly should be neglected in the momentum equation.

Read the manual for CFX if there is one, it might be there is something there.

>And what values to specify for the mixture model parameters (drag coefficient and inter-facial length scale)?

Drag coefficient is for a particle moving through an air, like a body, this is quite ordinary parameter for dasty gas flow, but not for gas mixing.

So, most probably you should forget about multi-fluid model, drag, length-scale etc. in your case.

Hope this helps.

Sergei

Hi Sara,

As Sergei mentioned, two-phase flow model refers to (e.g.) dust particle moving in a gas, with drag forces and other things maybe.

What you want to do is different. In all the domain you need to have specified the fraction of each gas by weigth, e.g. X represents the Oxygen (in the air), Y represents the fraction of Nitrogen (air) and Z the fraction of Methane. XY and Z will then enter the equation of state through the mean molecular weight, etc..

The next step will be to solve the diffusion equations for the different gas (XY and Z).

For the rest there is only ONE FLOW, with its density and velocities (Navier-Stokes equations). Where the Methane is injected there will be an initial (and boundary) condition for the velocities and density, and where the air is injected some other condition for the density and velocity (in a different region of the computational domain). If the rest of the chamber is empty, then in between the two gases, initially the density and velocity are set to a very small value. Once the gases interact there will be only one flow. To follow where the methane 'is', one needs to solve for the fraction of the different gases using the diffusion equations.

I am also not familiar with CFX.

Cheers, Patrick

Hi Sara

I am new in CFX but i think your problem is not a multiphase problem but a single phase multi component flow. In the CFX Examples Manual you can check Reference Example 10. It deals with CO2 and air in a box.

I hope it helps

Zoltan Turzo

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Hi all
I have some questions about setting parameters for a 2-pahses problem that both phases are gas and they have very near properties(I know that I can solve it with one phase, but because of some matters I should do it in multi phases wat):

For a box that enter a gas from inlet1 and enter the other gas from the inlet2 what should I set for drag Coefficient?
what is interface Len. Scale?
what should I set for mass transfer?
My problem is Steady state, so I don't have initial conditions. How can I clear for the CFX that the domain fluid is in phase1?
And what should I do for my inlets?
inlet1: phase1
inlet2: phase2