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Old   August 25, 1999, 00:37
Default Euler & N-S EQUATIONS from Boltzmann EQUATION
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Yogesh Talekar
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Gurus,

Can anybody tell me some literature where derivation of NAvier-Stokes and Euler equations FROM BOLTZMANN EQUATION of statstical kinematics is given.

I checked in few books but the methos they talk of are very difficult to understand.

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Yogesh
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Old   August 25, 1999, 07:43
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Jim Park
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For a very readable development, try

Present, R. D., "Kinetic Theory of Gases," McGraw-Hill, 1958.

Also,

Mayer & Mayer, "Statistical Mechanics," Wiley, 1940.

Some of you newer fellows might recommend some newer books.
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Old   August 29, 1999, 12:38
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Hello Mr Talekar:

Exa Corporation in the US has developed a new class of CFD solver based on kinetic theory and statistical physics (lattice Boltzmann). The macroscopic Navier-Stokes equations are recovered from Exa's digital physics algorithm. There is more technology information at the Exa web site: http://www.exa.com

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Old   August 29, 1999, 23:35
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Do they have derivation of NS eqs or references to it at their web page?

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Old   August 30, 1999, 00:22
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No there is no such reference to the derivations on the web-page. But still I am quite a lot in dark about the derivation.

Somebody should help me!
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Old   August 30, 1999, 09:31
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Praveen Chandrashekar
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Hello!

Here are some published papers on kinetic schemes for Euler Equations, which also show the connection between the Boltzman equation and the Euler equations.

1. SM DESHPANDE, "Kinetic theory based new upwind methods for inviscid compressible flows", AIAA Paper, 86-0275, 1986

2. JC MANDAL & SM DESPHANDE, "Kinetic Flux Vector Splitting for the Euler Equations", Computers and Fluids, vol.23, pp. 447-478, 1994 (You should be able to get this easily)

I found the following book to be very good. It contains a section on kinetic schemes. You will find more references in this book.

GODLEWSKI and RAVIART: Numerical Approximations to Hyperbolic Systems of Conservation Laws, Springer.

Hope this helps.
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Old   August 30, 1999, 15:50
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Hi Yogesh..

There is ICASE report 99-21 (www.icase.edu) by Qian et al titled "On higher order dynamics in lattice-based models using Chapman-Ensog method".... You can download that...

Y.H. Qian's Phd dissertation is " Lattice gas and lattice kinetic theory applied to the Navier-Stokes equation"

Hopefully this will give you a start...

regards

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Old   August 31, 1999, 05:31
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Yogesh Talekar
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Respected "gurus"

Thank u very much for you help and guidance.

But still something more is needed

Yogesh
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Old   August 31, 1999, 05:35
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Yogesh Talekar
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Dear Praveen

Thank you very much for the suggestions. I will certainly try to go through the litureature

Thank you once again

YOGESH
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Old   September 1, 1999, 12:11
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Dave Higbie
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Yogesh,

Here are some more references you can try:

"The Mathematical Theory of Non-Uniform Gases", S. Chapman, T.G. Cowling, Cambridge University Press

"Statistical Mechanics", K. Huang, John Wiley & Sons., Inc. Chapters 3-6

On Exa's website there is a paper called: "Digital Physics Approach to Computational Fluid Dynamics: Some Basic Theoretical Features", Chen, Teixeira and Molvig. Journal of Modern Physics C., Vol. 8 (1997) pg. 675

a postscript file link to the above paper can be found at

http://www.exa.com/powerflow/papersdir.html

Hope this helps.

Dave
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Old   September 13, 1999, 09:00
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alfred almer
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I would like to convert a bfc-mesh A created by fluent into a mesh B . The format of the mesh B should be similar to the one ,i would use in povray to render the object depicted by A . That is, find triangles,that make up the surface of the object,that has been rendered into mesh A . UNfortunately,i donīt have access to a copy of the fluent software. Is there a way to to do this conversion by hand ?

Mesh A looks like #!fluent.1

2 Created by : ICEM CFD/CAE FLUENT Interface Vers. 3.3.2 #

1 Title FLUENT Grid File /* CONFIGURATION = tbif */ #

6 Grid Type

2 1 3 14 98 51 #

9 BFC Grid -1.214401E-08 -9.703458E-06 -1.838437E-05 -2.586320E-05 -3.196537E-05 -3.652791E-05 -3.939371E-05 -4.040466E-05 -3.939997E-05 -3.626388E-05 .........

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