Asymmetric solution for bluff bodies symmetric tandem

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 March 13, 2014, 14:40 Asymmetric solution for bluff bodies symmetric tandem #1 New Member   bud Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 3 Hello, has anybody experience with an asymmetric average solution for two symmetric bluff bodies in tandem? What I'm wonder is: is there a specific value for the ratio between the width of the bodies and the gap between them for which no vortex shedding occurs but instead a transverse shear layer is present between the two bodies and this shear layer is actually stable in time? What I'm guessing is: If the two bodies are too close to each other they behave like a single body and no vortex shedding occurs between them. If they are really far away then they behave like two different bodies with vortex shedding after both of them. Now, what happens in between? Can an asymmetric wake exist? If so, is there any paper on this? Thanks a lot Bud

 March 13, 2014, 16:19 #2 Senior Member   Filippo Maria Denaro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 20 I don't understand your statement: a single body and no vortex shedding occurs as vortex shedding appears always after a critical number is reached

 March 13, 2014, 16:24 #3 New Member   bud Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 3 Filippo, what I meant is that if the gap between the two bodies is too small (compared to the width of them) then you don't get any vortex shedding in the region between the bodies as the vortices don't get to roll, that independently on the Re. Of course you'll get vortex shedding after the second body if Re is high enough.

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 Originally Posted by bud_el_lodituma Filippo, what I meant is that if the gap between the two bodies is too small (compared to the width of them) then you don't get any vortex shedding in the region between the bodies as the vortices don't get to roll, that independently on the Re. Of course you'll get vortex shedding after the second body if Re is high enough.
Ok, I see now, but I suppose that in the gap you still have (at high Re) vortical structures that are unsteady even if they are "confined" by the separated flow ...
Many years ago I did some 2D simulations for tandem configuration, you can read

G. de Felice, F.M. Denaro, C. Meola; "Stream-Function Based Multiple Bluff Bodies 2D Flow Analysis"; Journal of Wind Engineering and Industrial Aerodynamics, Vol. 50, pp. 49-61, 1993

 March 13, 2014, 16:39 #5 New Member   bud Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 3 Thanks again for your help Filippo. So, if I understand correctly you don't think it is possible to have an asymmetric vortical transverse structure in the gap between the bodies, right?

 March 13, 2014, 17:21 #6 Senior Member   Filippo Maria Denaro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 20 well, in a statistical sense I think you can obtain an "averaged steady vortical structure" between the bodies, I doubt the pointwise unsteady field can have such a single structure at high Re ... I think about the flow structure between the bodies as a sort of lid driven cavity where the stress forcing is provided by the external flow..

 March 18, 2014, 01:22 #7 Member   Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 68 Rep Power: 5 Was searching for a different topic, but I believe this paper'll aid this discussion http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...89974611001927 __________________ Best wishes, Somdeb Bandopadhyay

 March 18, 2014, 16:07 #8 New Member   bud Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 3 Thanks Somdeb. I had a quick look, it doesn't seem they experienced any clear asymmetry in the wake but I'll have a deeper look later!

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