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Old   May 18, 2001, 05:43
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joseph
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hi everybody,

1.Could some one please tell me what is the meaning of Advection?

2.what is the difference between advestion and convection?

thank you soo much for your time.
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Old   May 18, 2001, 06:28
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Junseok Kim
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Convection is the transport of heat by large-scale movement of the fluid. For example when warm air flows in from the south St. Louis generally warms up.

The fluid flow can be vertical or horizontal. In meteorology, the responses to convection are quit different if the motion is vertical or horizontal. Therefore we define advection with horizontal motion, while convection will denote vertical motions.

Convection happens naturally in the atmosphere. During warm sunny days the sun warms the surface (by radiation the 3rd method) the surface warms the air touch the surface by conduction and the as the air warms it begins to rise. The warm air is replaced by cool air and the warm pool of air called a thermal continues to rise. This convection is actually warming the air away from the surface.
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Old   May 18, 2001, 17:47
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John C. Chien
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(1). In CFD, as in numerical analysis in fluid mechanics, "convection" is normally used and "advection" is just "convection". (2). In the momentum equations, you have "convection", "diffusion" and "pressure gradient" terms.
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Old   May 19, 2001, 00:09
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To add to the confusion, I often see advection reserved for 'forced' scalar transport, i.e. no body forces, and 'convection' used when body forces predominate.

But there is no rule for this, most will know what you mean. For those of us in earth science where buoyant flows are common, using 'convection' will usually call to mind buoyancy dominated flow. But again this is simply a matter of taste. For example, A. Bejan has a book titled "Convection Heat Transfer" that also includes a discussion of forced heat transfer.
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Old   May 19, 2001, 12:40
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joseph
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hi everybody,

I am really greatful to Junseok Kim,John C. Chien George Bergantz,thank you all for taking time out and answering this question of mine,I am also thank ful to god for good people like you.

I have now got some insight as to when to use convection or advection.

with lots of thanks,

joseph machnaim
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Old   May 22, 2001, 18:22
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Barney
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advection --- d/dx_j (\rho u_i u_j )

[term in momentum eqn.]

convection --- d/dx_j (\rho c_p T u_j)

[term in temperature eqn.]
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Old   May 27, 2001, 01:13
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De-Wei Yin
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advection: From Latin "advectio", which originally derives from Latin "advehere"; means transmission by horizontal movement. ("ad" = toward, "vehere", "vecto" = carry)

convection: From Latin "convectio", which originally derives from Latin "convehere"; means transmission by vertical movement. ("con" = "com" = with)

It seems more appropriate to prefer "convection" over "advection" in reference to general transport by fluid flow without regard to directionality. The Latin root of "advection" implies the need for an accusative object (i.e., the destination toward which the movement is made) whereas "convection" does not require such an accusative object. Both words include the concept of a dative object, i.e., the object being transported (e.g., heat).
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Old   May 27, 2001, 15:37
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(1). It is interesting. (2). It is possible that the world was "perfectly flat" in those days. (3). Good Greif, as Charlie Brown used to say.
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