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Old   May 15, 2003, 06:13
Default k-e in laminar flow
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Jake
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Hi.

I was wondering. Can a turbulent model like (eg.) k-e or RSM calculate a laminar flow correctly?

If no, what do one do in a case where there are both laminar and turbulent flow zones?

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Old   May 15, 2003, 07:17
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You can't use k-epsilon to do laminar flow. If you have regions of both laminar and turbulent flow then you need a method for predicting the transition point as well as a method of damping the turbulent contributions (so that they are zero in laminar flow). I don't know of any schemes that can do this in general flow configurations. Predicting flow transition is still very much an open problem and is an active area of research.
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Old   May 15, 2003, 09:27
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Ok. Thank you for your answer.
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Old   May 16, 2003, 04:21
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Some codes can deal with transition alledgedly, but in fact you supply the transition region a priori as far as I understand and the topic of a self-determining transition is indeed an active field of research.
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Old   May 20, 2003, 12:09
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The Wilcox book (Turbulence modeling for CFD) gives a good overview of transition modelling with the k-epsilon and k-omega models.

alternatively, try:

D.C. Wilcox "Simulation of Transition with a Two-Equation Turbulence Model" AIAA Journal, Vol 32, No. 2, February 1994.

this is mainly about the k-omega model but does give a good insight into the problems with two-equation models and transition.
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