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Old   August 5, 2003, 12:33
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Old   August 5, 2003, 14:05
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Can you be more specific since none of your follow up posts seem to contain a question.
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Old   August 7, 2003, 11:08
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Dear Mr. Andy You want to verify my abilities to solve CFD problem with my background in machinery and phisics. I send you as I can suppose all info and I'm waiting for your opinion. Also I waiting As you had said for your code ( I told what I can solve). If you consider, that what I can do are not sufficiently please tell, what I have to do to be sufficiently educated to withstand entrance exams for the PhD studentships in EU university in CFD like Chalmers University of Technology, Delft University of Technology, or von Karman Institute for Fluid Dynamics or University of Twente Department of Mechanical Engineering.

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Old   August 7, 2003, 12:07
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>>> You want to verify my abilities to solve CFD problem with my background in machinery and phisics. I send you as I can suppose all info and I'm waiting for your opinion

I do not want to verify you abilities. I said when recruiting for Ph.D. positions most academics are interested in first class ability but with an engineering-type background (i.e. first class ability but a background in music is unacceptable). Your academic qualifications generally serve as proof of your background training and, to some degree, your ability.

>>> Also I waiting As you had said for your code ( I told what I can solve).

This makes no sense. I am not sending you any of my code but I did suggest you download some turbomachinery CFD code yourself from the internet and use and study it.

I am not in a position to judge your suitability for the institutions you list. I would suggest looking at their web pages and contacting their administration departments for confirmation of their requirements. They are likely to require evidence of a good first degree or masters degree and may also require some language qualifications.

If you want to be a student rather than a researcher then you will have to find some money to support yourself and pay the fees.

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Old   August 7, 2003, 13:28
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Great thanks for your opinion. I think the same. About good first degree. I'd like to be researcher but firstly I guess it need to get a PhD degree. In my way into some of seriuos organizations as CFD researcher I see next obstacles (language requirements I consider as something very usual and it isn't very difficult obstacle for me):

1) my first mechanical engineer degree is Russian Military College from.

2) my knowlege of CFD is restricted and isn't reflected in any papers and therefore

3)I haven't any evidences of my CFD activities.

So I plan to increase my knowlege during next two-three years and only then I'll try to contact with any administration departments of any organiz. for confirmation of their requirements. Until I'm free of obligation I can continue study alone.

I think what I can to do today.

Surely I looked through all they do in free-access articles. I think to begin work in direction, wich will be close connected with their work in order when I'll be ready for entrance I would satisfy their requirements.

And I think how I can solve next problem -

to be here in Lihtuania and to perform work which can be considered as a good evidence of my qualification

Anyway great thanks Dear Andy.

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Old   August 7, 2003, 14:45
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By researcher I meant "Research Assistant" someone paid a full(ish) wage to perform research activities at a university while putting together their Ph.D. Such positions are reasonably common in engineering and, although it can take a year or so longer to get the Ph.D., it would probably mean you could just about pay for your fees and living expenses. I would suggest you find out the difference between a Ph.D. student and a Research Assistant studying for a Ph.D. at the institutions you are interested in.

I repeat: prior knowledge of CFD when applying for Ph.D. positions is only going to be a modest benefit because they are setup assuming people are coming from first/masters degrees (but this is not the case for postdoc positions).
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Old   August 7, 2003, 16:07
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One good way for international students to get a PhD position at Chalmers is to participate in their international masters program in turbulence and CFD - the best students from that program are often offered PhD studentships, which are fully paid.

I don't know what entrance demands they have for the international masters program so you'd better double check that. The program is free once you get accepted. More info can be found here:

http://www.tfd.chalmers.se/imp/

I doubt if it is a good strategy to spend 3 years "at home" just trying to prepare yourself to apply for a PhD studentship. To apply for that position you need formal merits, somewhat eqivalent of a MSc, and you need to convince a professor that you are a good student and researcher. I'd start looking for grants now instead. As a student from a prospective EU country I would guess that you could get some EU related help from somewhere.
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Old   August 7, 2003, 17:16
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Dear Mr. Andy and Mr. Jonas Larsson

Grateful for your attention and your patience.

In any case

0) --- Main task - I have to solve some of my private problems

1) I don't want to leave Lt and I want to stay at home now at least one year (solve problems and to be with mom)

2) I have to go to the British Council to withstand ILTS (International English Language Testing System)

3) I want (and I must) to restore and refresh all I knew and to work a little with LES and DNS and unsteady problems

4) I have (I don't know exactly yet) to make C++ familar for me - I worked only with FORTRAN

5) I'd like to get any evidences of my abilities in work. I'm unknown, I haven't any recommendations or references, and my past can be considered as very doubtful. So I think to find some small problem and do it. Then - send results to one of the E-CFD-journals or discuss the results with you or other people who find some time to help me.

All these steps require a bit of time

So I begin to work (restore, refresh, search for the grant, solve problems, begin work in close direction and etc.).

Apply for the International Master's Programs in Turbulence is too late: Final application date is March 15. Application period between 15 January and 15 March

Thankfully Yours Michail

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Old   August 8, 2003, 12:49
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Michail,

I do not think it is a good idea to do CFD on your own with your limited knowledge. CFD is far too complicate. I would laugh if you think that you could do a good LES and DNS job without any guidance and try to make yourself to be impressive to those top guys in CFD.

As I understand, as long as you have a first class (top 3 in your class for example) first degree, you will have a good chance to be successful in your application for a master program. Why not try out? Otherwise, my suggestion is that you can study for a Master degree in CFD with an expert in your own country first. In the mean time, you can apply for such kind of scheme. If it is not successful, you can just finish you Master degree in your own country. Then you can apply for a PhD studentship in those institutions. By then, you will at least have some fundamental knowledge in CFD which can be shown in your CV. If you could luckily publish one good international conference paper based on your master thesis, your chance will be increased.

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Old   August 8, 2003, 14:46
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The problem is that - Lithuania very small country. There aren't any specialists in CFD here. I hope that my patience will help me.I perfectly realise how difficult it will be (to make a good LES and DNS job without any guidance and try to make yourself to be impressive to those top guys in CFD) but I haven't any other exit from this situation.

So I'll try. (there is a very good song of Rolling Stones - I constantly repeat it reaching my goals - You can Make It If You Try).

I've already sacrifeced 5 years of my life and all I had to gain basic CFD knowlege and to be free giving all myself to CFD (but I constantly meet different obstacles on my way). If it will be need - I'll spend some more 5 years. If you will help me - I'll be very grateful but I can't pay you money for wasting your time for me.
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Old   August 8, 2003, 15:25
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Now I've got the code at Perric (it used by many Universities). I consider it as basic and begin work. I want to repeat all tests I can do and to add some models of turbulence and to make full 3D unsteady NaSt universal solver for complex geometry in curvlinear coordinates (at colocated grids). Also I'd like to add some approximation schemes for convective fluxes.

Than I try to begin to implement LES and DNS calculations with this solver.

I can't solve complex tasks for turbomachinery but it will help me to refresh my skills (by some reasons I didn't work in CFD about 2.5 years).
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Old   August 9, 2003, 03:45
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Hi,

If you want to have a PhD position in Sweden or Holland it is better to contact the universities first and ask them what is required. Probably you need a Masters degree from a recognized institute. If you do not fulfil the conditions they require you do not make any change of getting a PhD position, whatever your experience is. In that case the only possibility is getting a Masters degree at a recognized institute. It doesn't help you then to spend a lot of time on learning LES or C++.

By the way, age can also play a role. Most of the professors prefer PhD-students quite fresh from the university.

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Old   August 9, 2003, 05:37
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Anyway I'll try. Moreover,

Jonas Larsson's opinion that I have to convince a professor that I am a good student and researcher and it will be enough.

Andy believed that I have to have good basic - mecanical - enineering background. I looked throuhg teaching programs in Hydroscience and Engineering College of Engineering, The University of Iowa, and some other in the world and discover, that our 5-years programs in combat aircrafts and its engines doesn't differ much from worldwise. Differences can be only in amounts of hours in various subjects.
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Old   August 9, 2003, 05:50
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Michail,

If you have the money, you can study for a Master degree almost anywhere you want. Otherwise, you can do a Master degree in your neigbouring country. A Master degree is almost regarded as a basic requirement for a foreigner to apply for a studentship and to study for a PhD.

Regards

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Old   August 9, 2003, 06:21
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I want to repeat some of these works being here in Lt during this or some years (only numerical simulation part)

A Computational and Experimental Study of the Internal Flow in a Scaled Pressure-Swirl Atomizer by Kim Granly Hansen & Jesper Madsen

or

Computational modelling of turbulent in general domains by Marcel Zijlema

or

Domain Decomposition for the incompressible Navie - Stokes Equations by Brakkee Erik

or

LARGE EDDY SIMULATION OF THE FLOW AROUND A HIGH-LIFT AIRFOIL by SIMON DAHLSTROM

or something like this. I'll try. I don't see in this something forbidden but this work increased my experience and knowlege. I haven't money and all I can do - rob bank in order to get some money to write my PhD thesis in one of famous EU University
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Old   August 9, 2003, 17:06
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Hi,

I understand that money is an issue, but if you want to get a Ph.D, I would say that you can do so in the uk, wherever you are from if the funding is available to non-EU citizens. This type of funding is available. When I was looking for a Ph.D position, I contacted 50 different professor's by email, in the EU and also outside the EU....and had favourable discussions with many of them. Studying CFD on your own is fine, but a complete waste of time from the point of view of your CV. It is only useful when in an interview situation for a Ph.D position. My advise is the email as many people as you can, try not to make spelling/grammar mistakes, and put yourself forward as a capable candidate. Forget about your lack/or percieved lack of knowledge....talk can get you a long way in many interviews...believe me!

My main point would be that you are wasting time studying unless you are in a recognised institution.
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Old   August 10, 2003, 11:00
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Dear Tom

Thanks for your responce. I'll follow you advice and begin to send letters during that I want to do

Michail
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Old   August 11, 2003, 08:19
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Just convincing a professor is not enough. As I wrote you also need the formal merits - usually a MSc from a recognized university.
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