CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

solar radiation load

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   November 17, 2009, 01:30
Exclamation solar radiation load
  #1
New Member
 
rahul
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 16
rahulrahul155 is on a distinguished road
hi frends
can anybody tell me hw to calculate solar radiation load on car
rahulrahul155 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 17, 2009, 10:48
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Ahmed
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 251
Rep Power: 18
Ahmed is on a distinguished road
taking the sun surface temperature to be 5200 K, this will give a solar flux of about 1800 W/m2
Ahmed is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 17, 2009, 12:29
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Charles Rundle
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 16
Charles Rundle is on a distinguished road
Hello,

If I may I would suggest reading a good book on solar radiation. Presuming your car in on earth's surface the radiation flux that it experiences will be different from the black body radiation flux from the sun. The atmosphere will reduce the flux and angle of the sun may also have significant impact on your results.

If you are only referring to the solar radiation entering the car through the windows then the type of glass may have an effect as well. I'm more familiar with transparent building facades so I don't know for sure how directly my experience translates to car windows.

With regards to a book, I have used the following book in the past with good results.

Wieder, S. (1982). An Introduction to Solar Energy for Scientists and Engineers. John Wiley & Sons: New York.

For the record I am not affiliated with the author or publisher in anyway. I'm also sure there are a wide range of other published works, which would be suitable, but I have found this one to be useful.

I hope I have been helpful. Have a good day.

CAR
Charles Rundle is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 17, 2009, 23:14
Post solar load
  #4
New Member
 
rahul
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 16
rahulrahul155 is on a distinguished road
thanks Ahmed & charles rundle for your valuable help.
i m intrested in calculating heat transfer from outside to car cabin, due t o solar radiation (both conduction & radiation)
in this solar position is changing also vehicle direction is changing with time
so i not understand which solar position should i take & how to calculate solar load on car
rahulrahul155 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 18, 2009, 23:46
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Charles Rundle
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 16
Charles Rundle is on a distinguished road
Hello,

If I may ask how accurate do your desire your simulation to be and which parts of the car are included in the mesh? Also are you using a radiation model?

It would be much easier to answer your question if I understood what your goal was. For instance the approach I would recommend if you were trying to prove that the AC in the car was sufficient would be significantly different then if you were trying to match experimental data to validate code.

In the mean time, I’ve included an image showing the effect that the angle of the sun can have. Theta is the sun zenith angle, as you can see the projected area and therefore the amount of solar radiation received by the objected changes with the angle of solar radiation.

I should also note the image assumes the sun is far enough away that the solar radiation can be treated as parallel. Also in your case you would have to be concerned with the horizontal distance (W) as well make A=Lsin(theta)+Wcos(theta).

I should also add that while I believe everything I’ve shown and stated to be correct I do not guarantee it as such and accept no liability arising from its use. It is entirely use it at your own risk.

I hope I have helped. Have a good day.

CAR
Attached Images
File Type: jpg SolarAngle.jpg (10.0 KB, 37 views)
Charles Rundle is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 19, 2009, 00:15
Default
  #6
New Member
 
Charles Rundle
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 16
Charles Rundle is on a distinguished road
Hello,

My apologies I have just found your other thread. Since you are using Fluent I have a revised suggestion. I believe that FLUENT offers a solar radiation model. I'm not a FLUENT user, so I am unsure of the input it requires or how accurate it is. If you check FLUENT’s documentation or in the FLUENT section of the forum you may find your answer much quicker.

I hope this helps. Have a good day.

CAR
Charles Rundle is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   November 19, 2009, 23:43
Default car ac
  #7
New Member
 
rahul
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 16
rahulrahul155 is on a distinguished road
Thank you charles rundle for your help ,
my project is related to fluent & i hv to do transient analysis of cabin AC so it require boundray condition calculation, in that solar load calculation part i not understand.
so anybody know hw to calculate plez help
rahulrahul155 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Solar radiation model Min Siemens 2 August 31, 2018 08:04
Solar radiation though double glazing Multiband CFX 0 January 26, 2009 08:19
solar radiation Arnold FLUENT 0 May 2, 2006 21:00
solar radiation su nam Siemens 0 July 30, 2004 02:17
Solar Radiation Lee K.H FLUENT 0 December 15, 1999 10:48


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:09.